Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: Congress passes major change to law on union pensions [View all]A HERETIC I AM
(24,876 posts)42. Sure.
Last edited Sat Dec 20, 2014, 12:29 PM - Edit history (1)
"Care to clarify what I'm not understanding?"
Based on what you typed in your previous responses to this thread......all of it.
As an example, NO ONE that has any real understaanding of how a Pension Fund is invested, how they are managed and how they work in general would say;
The money was invested in Wall Street.
Really? Invested in Wall Street, eh? In what fashion? Are they part owners of the actual real estate itself?
I get that you know Wall Street is a real place, but I don't see that you have any real understanding of what those nasty people who work there every day actually do.
Wall Street then crashed the economy causing pension funds lose massive amounts of value. They have not recovered.
Bullshit. "Causing Pension Funds...." Really? Which pension funds? All of them? Every sngle one? And how exactly did "Wall Street crash(ed) the economy"?
Do you understand that if you had a broad portfolio in September of 2007 and made absolutely no changes whatsever over the last 7 years, your balance would be higher today than it was then?
So by what mechanism exactly is it that you are relying on to posit "They have not recovered"?
So yes, as has been detailed for the last 6 years in a variety of places, Wall Street ripped these pension funds off.
More bullshit. I know it sounds great and it perfectly suits your righteous indignation, but the New York Stock Exchange and "Wall Street" is not a thinking, calculating, vengeful entity. It's a street with buildings on it. Are there crooks that work there and in the securities industry at large? Without a doubt. Was there criminal activity in the last decade and before? Absolutely. Is the downturn/recession/bad times as well as the difficulties some pension funds are now experiencing SOLELY the responsibility of "Wall Street"?
No. No they aren't.
And FWIW, the article in the OP refers to a way to keep the pension funds in question SOLVENT
Perhaps the alternative would be preferred?
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
Recommendations
0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):
44 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
Anytime a bunch of white men in suits get together to "fix" union pensions..
mountain grammy
Dec 2014
#3
Yikes. What does this sentence mean? "the funds are invested so that the plans have enough
midnight
Dec 2014
#4
I guess I can't tell if this is a necessary action or one that is undermining the pension system
mythology
Dec 2014
#10
Pitchforks should be coming out very soon...apologists for wall street stealing our pensions
NoJusticeNoPeace
Dec 2014
#26