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A HERETIC I AM

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42. Sure.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 08:29 PM
Dec 2014

Last edited Sat Dec 20, 2014, 12:29 PM - Edit history (1)

"Care to clarify what I'm not understanding?"

Based on what you typed in your previous responses to this thread......all of it.

As an example, NO ONE that has any real understaanding of how a Pension Fund is invested, how they are managed and how they work in general would say;

The money was invested in Wall Street.


Really? Invested in Wall Street, eh? In what fashion? Are they part owners of the actual real estate itself?

I get that you know Wall Street is a real place, but I don't see that you have any real understanding of what those nasty people who work there every day actually do.

Wall Street then crashed the economy causing pension funds lose massive amounts of value. They have not recovered.


Bullshit. "Causing Pension Funds...." Really? Which pension funds? All of them? Every sngle one? And how exactly did "Wall Street crash(ed) the economy"?

Do you understand that if you had a broad portfolio in September of 2007 and made absolutely no changes whatsever over the last 7 years, your balance would be higher today than it was then?
So by what mechanism exactly is it that you are relying on to posit "They have not recovered"?

So yes, as has been detailed for the last 6 years in a variety of places, Wall Street ripped these pension funds off.


More bullshit. I know it sounds great and it perfectly suits your righteous indignation, but the New York Stock Exchange and "Wall Street" is not a thinking, calculating, vengeful entity. It's a street with buildings on it. Are there crooks that work there and in the securities industry at large? Without a doubt. Was there criminal activity in the last decade and before? Absolutely. Is the downturn/recession/bad times as well as the difficulties some pension funds are now experiencing SOLELY the responsibility of "Wall Street"?

No. No they aren't.


And FWIW, the article in the OP refers to a way to keep the pension funds in question SOLVENT

Perhaps the alternative would be preferred?

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unding everything one layer at a time belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #1
shame on George Miller -- is he lining up his next gig after he retires? nt antigop Dec 2014 #2
Anytime a bunch of white men in suits get together to "fix" union pensions.. mountain grammy Dec 2014 #3
Yikes. What does this sentence mean? "the funds are invested so that the plans have enough midnight Dec 2014 #4
No, the unions invest the money. former9thward Dec 2014 #13
"Wallstreet" isn't a thing. The unions invest the funds. Recursion Dec 2014 #30
So Wallstreet ripped off union pensions.... blackspade Dec 2014 #5
How did "Wallstreet" rip them off? former9thward Dec 2014 #14
The money was invested in Wall Street. blackspade Dec 2014 #36
Who invested the money in Wall Street? former9thward Dec 2014 #38
Um, the trustees? blackspade Dec 2014 #39
'there is a wealth of info out there detailing this stuff" A HERETIC I AM Dec 2014 #40
Care to clarify what I'm not understanding? blackspade Dec 2014 #41
Sure. A HERETIC I AM Dec 2014 #42
That clarified nothing. blackspade Dec 2014 #43
I made all that back, plus 50% joeglow3 Dec 2014 #44
See, the thing is, PEOPLE are not "too big to fail." WinkyDink Dec 2014 #6
big kick and big rec! nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #7
K&R! countryjake Dec 2014 #8
K&R WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #9
I guess I can't tell if this is a necessary action or one that is undermining the pension system mythology Dec 2014 #10
We have several DUers I can't speak for about this Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #12
Pitchforks should be coming out very soon...apologists for wall street stealing our pensions NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #26
These were not company run pension funds. former9thward Dec 2014 #16
Link please Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #17
It is in your OP. former9thward Dec 2014 #18
Here is a little bit different take written before the budget passed Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #20
Well I agree with the Carpenters. former9thward Dec 2014 #21
But the PBGC isn't just multiple employer pensions Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #22
Right, they are both. former9thward Dec 2014 #24
I think we are back in agrement Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #25
I worked at Wheeling Pittsburgh Steel for 40 years. Part of my pension a doc03 Dec 2014 #28
I read so much in a week, here is more from THE SAME LINK Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #23
You seem to be hellbent on blaming the unions. Maybe not all but doc03 Dec 2014 #32
No one can deny plain history. former9thward Dec 2014 #33
Goes back to Reaganomics. The Republicans are now raising hell about doc03 Dec 2014 #34
If you remember being in Washington asking Bush to put tariffs on steel you should also doc03 Dec 2014 #37
Kick nt Hissyspit Dec 2014 #11
fucking criminal. spanone Dec 2014 #15
Austerity for all and to all, good luck. nc4bo Dec 2014 #19
Obama WillTwain Dec 2014 #27
I agree and you can bet the Republicans are going to hang doc03 Dec 2014 #29
So did many unions (nt) Recursion Dec 2014 #31
k&r nt bananas Dec 2014 #35
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