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karynnj

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60. Her book spoke of this as something she had wished had happened -- there is nothing to
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 11:27 PM
Dec 2014

suggest that "she established the groundwork" on this.

Many MANY people had called for the end of the embargo long before Obama became President. This was not a new idea. (As to her husband working to improve relationships - he signed Burton/Helms that added sanctions - Kerry voted against that.) However, this deal does not lift the embargo - because due to Burton/Helms they need Congress to do so.

It is fair to say that HRC in her book did say that she was in favor of improving relations. There is absolutely no reason to think this influenced Obama, who was for normalizing relations when he ran in 2008. Here, the credit she deserves is that she is on record that the policy should change.

However, that does not mean that she gets credit for work that she had no involvement in that started after she was out of office. ( I will take this back if it turns out that she had any back channel role on this.)

If you look at WHY this worked, it is clear that the one brilliant move that allowed it to happen was the involvement of Pope Francis - respected by both countries. It was not - from what anyone has suggested Hillary's idea. It does not surprise me that it was Kerry, who is both a Catholic, with extensive exposure to Jesuit priests (including his long time friend Father Drinan) and a pretty creative diplomat. The other thing he can get credit for was using his long relationship with the Cuban FM to create pressure to finalize this by saying that it becomes impossible if Gross were to die. (This is a very simple politic truth) In addition, he is credited with having reached out to Gross after his mother died fearing that it - added to all his troubles - could be too much.

Then there is what Kerry did not do. It was Obama as President who set this as a goal and approved it - and it does not matter much if HRC or JK or both suggested he do it. Only the President is really responsible for what his administration does. We also know the two men who worked out all the details from the US side. They did not start with a plan laid out by anyone. It is to their credit that they got the details to work.

It is precisely articles like the one you linked to that BLM is complaining about. I actually sympathize with Clinton on the fact that they are out there. She personally is not claiming to have been the mastermind on this. What she has said is that she supports what Obama did on this.

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Good on SOS Kerry who has been working tirelessly across the Globe on so many issues and crises. Cha Dec 2014 #1
+100 MBS Dec 2014 #4
; ) blm Dec 2014 #8
Good on Kerry. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #2
You'd never know this from the corporate media coverage. blm Dec 2014 #11
Of course! mylye2222 Dec 2014 #12
Our liberal media!!!! nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #16
Pseudo. liberal. mylye2222 Dec 2014 #19
Thanks very much for digging this up MBS Dec 2014 #3
I contrast it with the constant press praise of Clinton for anything and blm Dec 2014 #5
Yes indeed. MBS Dec 2014 #6
I concur. But most of the public is completely unaware and blm Dec 2014 #7
And that's why Hillary went after Kerry. PragmaticLiberal Dec 2014 #9
TeamClinton helped TeamBush target Kerry for many years. blm Dec 2014 #10
Did everything in their power mylye2222 Dec 2014 #14
" " " "n/t MBS Dec 2014 #15
Matter of name recognition as always. mylye2222 Dec 2014 #13
This isn't about Kerry vs. Cllnton. Hillary laid the groundwork for this during her term. pnwmom Dec 2014 #22
LOL - When she wrote her book she knew Kerry had begun laying the groundwork blm Dec 2014 #24
Yay!!! Everything to put the blanket at her! mylye2222 Dec 2014 #34
Your link helps demonstrate my point, so thanks. pnwmom Dec 2014 #35
Actions spurred by Obama's promise during the campaign. Not hers. blm Dec 2014 #39
She was working for President Obama as Secretary of State. Her actions pnwmom Dec 2014 #45
Baloney - we've seen this play out before. blm Dec 2014 #51
PS: If it WASN'T about Kerry vs HRC, then why did HER media team blanket blm Dec 2014 #25
Oh, stop making sense! MADem Dec 2014 #26
Kerry has always been gracious, even to those who have worked against him. blm Dec 2014 #27
Oh, I don't think that comment is accurate at all. MADem Dec 2014 #28
It had been 2 months - best to do it in front of largest crowd with Hillary2008 in mind. blm Dec 2014 #29
So now your argument is a guy with heart disease and his worried wife didn't do enough? MADem Dec 2014 #31
Standard Dem campaign photo ops with Hillary2008 in mind. blm Dec 2014 #38
Are you serious? MADem Dec 2014 #44
Sorry you don't like it but, plenty of us saw the same thing blm Dec 2014 #49
I refuse to subscribe to a childish notion that Democrats who have the same goals are enemies. MADem Dec 2014 #52
It is in no way childish. mylye2222 Dec 2014 #58
The Clintons PUBLICLY campaigned FOR Kerry...while PRIVATELY stabbing him fir their own 2008 bid. mylye2222 Dec 2014 #41
Yeah, sure! Whatever you say! MADem Dec 2014 #43
Her book spoke of this as something she had wished had happened -- there is nothing to karynnj Dec 2014 #60
Yes,there is. She was the S of S during the time when Obama pnwmom Dec 2014 #61
There were changes made in the first term and there were unsuccessful efforts to get Gross back karynnj Dec 2014 #62
How do you know what she did behind the scenes? No one does. pnwmom Dec 2014 #63
I am just going by what she wrote karynnj Dec 2014 #64
I suspect that the reason Kerry might not get the recognition on this and the China pact in the MSM karynnj Dec 2014 #30
Proves my point that TeamClinton would jump in front of everyone else to get the narrative blm Dec 2014 #40
Wow, what a nasty characterization. MADem Dec 2014 #46
Not sure this is team Clinton - I suspect that he leans more to the Republican side karynnj Dec 2014 #54
John Kerry is a good man (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #17
Always a pleasure to read Kerry praising mylye2222 Dec 2014 #18
He's a great man, and he was a very fine Senator indeed and he's a superb SECSTATE. MADem Dec 2014 #32
It was a tremendous diplomatic effort. AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #20
+100000 karynnj Dec 2014 #36
Corporate media: Blame Kerry…..for anything you can. blm Dec 2014 #50
However, as long as Obama is happy with what he does, they really have far less power karynnj Dec 2014 #55
Kick Cha Dec 2014 #21
K Cha Dec 2014 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2014 #33
Actually it did -- and in last week's meeting they discussed how the Pope karynnj Dec 2014 #37
Probably why a country like Ecuador reached out to help us with resettling former detainees. nt MADem Dec 2014 #48
It did. Vatican agreed to help us in closing it. blm Dec 2014 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2014 #47
Why does it matter that Gross is "Jewish American"? Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #53
Because Jewish groups were very much pushing for his release, and there MADem Dec 2014 #56
Not to the publication. And it was one of the few reporting anything blm Dec 2014 #57
It is irrelevant - but the paper quoted is an Israeli paper (a left leaning one) nt karynnj Dec 2014 #59
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