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karynnj

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64. I am just going by what she wrote

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 01:28 AM

Dec 2014

As I said MANY people have been in favor of regularizing relations - including Kerry publicly for many many years. Just being in support of normalizing relations, is not laying down the groundwork for how it should be done.

Note that I did write that it was possible that she did something to facilitate the deal. However, NOTHING like that is hinted at in the article. Not to mention the article distorts the overall actions of the Clinton administration - he was not all that progressive one this.

I also did not deny her any credit. I did credit her with immediately backing what Obama did and I did credit her with favoring change in the letter she wrote at the end of her term. Those are real and she deserves credit for them.

What she does not deserve is being called the person who deserves the credit for this. Do you disagree that she likely stands behind all of the following:

Pope Francis
Obama
Castro
the team of American and Cuban negotiators
John Kerry
the Cuban FM

For each of these, it is easy to list things that they did which made efforts that had failed in earlier attempts to work.

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Jan/2014: Kerry to Vatican: Help free Jewish-American jailed in Cuba [View all] blm Dec 2014 OP

Good on SOS Kerry who has been working tirelessly across the Globe on so many issues and crises. Cha Dec 2014 #1

+100 MBS Dec 2014 #4

; ) blm Dec 2014 #8

Good on Kerry. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #2

You'd never know this from the corporate media coverage. blm Dec 2014 #11

Of course! mylye2222 Dec 2014 #12

Our liberal media!!!! nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #16

Pseudo. liberal. mylye2222 Dec 2014 #19

Thanks very much for digging this up MBS Dec 2014 #3

I contrast it with the constant press praise of Clinton for anything and blm Dec 2014 #5

Yes indeed. MBS Dec 2014 #6

I concur. But most of the public is completely unaware and blm Dec 2014 #7

And that's why Hillary went after Kerry. PragmaticLiberal Dec 2014 #9

TeamClinton helped TeamBush target Kerry for many years. blm Dec 2014 #10

Did everything in their power mylye2222 Dec 2014 #14

" " " "n/t MBS Dec 2014 #15

Matter of name recognition as always. mylye2222 Dec 2014 #13

This isn't about Kerry vs. Cllnton. Hillary laid the groundwork for this during her term. pnwmom Dec 2014 #22

LOL - When she wrote her book she knew Kerry had begun laying the groundwork blm Dec 2014 #24

Yay!!! Everything to put the blanket at her! mylye2222 Dec 2014 #34

Your link helps demonstrate my point, so thanks. pnwmom Dec 2014 #35

Actions spurred by Obama's promise during the campaign. Not hers. blm Dec 2014 #39

She was working for President Obama as Secretary of State. Her actions pnwmom Dec 2014 #45

Baloney - we've seen this play out before. blm Dec 2014 #51

PS: If it WASN'T about Kerry vs HRC, then why did HER media team blanket blm Dec 2014 #25

Oh, stop making sense! MADem Dec 2014 #26

Kerry has always been gracious, even to those who have worked against him. blm Dec 2014 #27

Oh, I don't think that comment is accurate at all. MADem Dec 2014 #28

It had been 2 months - best to do it in front of largest crowd with Hillary2008 in mind. blm Dec 2014 #29

So now your argument is a guy with heart disease and his worried wife didn't do enough? MADem Dec 2014 #31

Standard Dem campaign photo ops with Hillary2008 in mind. blm Dec 2014 #38

Are you serious? MADem Dec 2014 #44

Sorry you don't like it but, plenty of us saw the same thing blm Dec 2014 #49

I refuse to subscribe to a childish notion that Democrats who have the same goals are enemies. MADem Dec 2014 #52

It is in no way childish. mylye2222 Dec 2014 #58

The Clintons PUBLICLY campaigned FOR Kerry...while PRIVATELY stabbing him fir their own 2008 bid. mylye2222 Dec 2014 #41

Yeah, sure! Whatever you say! MADem Dec 2014 #43

Her book spoke of this as something she had wished had happened -- there is nothing to karynnj Dec 2014 #60

Yes,there is. She was the S of S during the time when Obama pnwmom Dec 2014 #61

There were changes made in the first term and there were unsuccessful efforts to get Gross back karynnj Dec 2014 #62

How do you know what she did behind the scenes? No one does. pnwmom Dec 2014 #63

I am just going by what she wrote karynnj Dec 2014 #64

I suspect that the reason Kerry might not get the recognition on this and the China pact in the MSM karynnj Dec 2014 #30

Proves my point that TeamClinton would jump in front of everyone else to get the narrative blm Dec 2014 #40

Wow, what a nasty characterization. MADem Dec 2014 #46

Not sure this is team Clinton - I suspect that he leans more to the Republican side karynnj Dec 2014 #54

John Kerry is a good man (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #17

Always a pleasure to read Kerry praising mylye2222 Dec 2014 #18

He's a great man, and he was a very fine Senator indeed and he's a superb SECSTATE. MADem Dec 2014 #32

It was a tremendous diplomatic effort. AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #20

+100000 karynnj Dec 2014 #36

Corporate media: Blame Kerry�..for anything you can. blm Dec 2014 #50

However, as long as Obama is happy with what he does, they really have far less power karynnj Dec 2014 #55

Kick Cha Dec 2014 #21

K Cha Dec 2014 #23

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Actually it did -- and in last week's meeting they discussed how the Pope karynnj Dec 2014 #37

Probably why a country like Ecuador reached out to help us with resettling former detainees. nt MADem Dec 2014 #48

It did. Vatican agreed to help us in closing it. blm Dec 2014 #42

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Why does it matter that Gross is "Jewish American"? Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #53

Because Jewish groups were very much pushing for his release, and there MADem Dec 2014 #56

Not to the publication. And it was one of the few reporting anything blm Dec 2014 #57

It is irrelevant - but the paper quoted is an Israeli paper (a left leaning one) nt karynnj Dec 2014 #59