Fellow childfree folks, how much did you love writing the check out to the IRS after hearing all the

[Warren DeMontague]

208. So if no Americans have babies, the population issue in Zimbabwe is solved?

Because that's the logic you're trying to use, here.

If "first world people use more resources", then that's a resource use problem. Not a population problem. Seems to me, we have 3 solutions only one of which I consider reasonable or palatable:

One) we could find less resource intensive renewable ways to power our first world lifestyles,
Two) we could drastically reduce our lifestyle to third world levels, eliminating along the way many completely wasteful, indulgent first world habits that drain resources, like for instance pet ownership.
Three) we could all die off as quickly as possible.


Authoritative sounding platitudes about how "everything is connected" notwithstanding, the FACT is, the so-called population problem is a localized phenomenon, dependent on culture, economics, and personal freedom. and when people have a decent standard of living (i.e. the dreaded "first world lifestyle&quot , access to contraception, and a high degree of autonomy from authoritarian types (usually, but not always, religious in nature) who try to dictate their life choices to them, They manage their population and reproduction rates on their own.

We have this fucking argument every. Damn. Time. Someone tries to float this shit here, and so anyone really interested can dig up the threads from 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007 and so on where this same tax whining about "stop making me pay for yer brats" and "stop having kids dammit!" was floated, every time being soundly refuted with reminders that, no, population is not fungible, the population problem is localized and dependent on localized factors, and really if one is mad about paying taxes for stupid shit maybe one should start with the military or the drug war instead of the next generation.

And if this is really about someone's fine dining experience at TGIFs being ruined by a crying baby or someone's meditative shopping experience at Wal mart being ruined by a demanding toddler whining in aisle 72, then at the very least admit its an axe grinding exercise and not some highfalutin' attempt at a moral point.