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True Blue Door

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1. Snowden is a morally ambiguous historical figure.

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 03:38 PM

Dec 2014

He often seemed to prioritize stirring shit over accomplishing the specific humanistic goals he claimed to represent.

Finding sanctuary with the likes of Vladimir Putin certainly doesn't help the ultimate resolution of his role in history.

Some of what he did helped freedom, some of it was totally fucked up and exhibited the kind of depraved pragmatism he claimed to be fighting against.

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Maybe forking over shitloads of cyber intel to China wasn't such a good idea. [View all] ucrdem Dec 2014 OP

Snowden is a morally ambiguous historical figure. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #1

Astroturfed wingnut libertarians with severe ODS ucrdem Dec 2014 #2

I can't see blaming November on Snowden, but I see what you mean. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #3

Shit stirring libertarian.. loves him some ron paul.. Loves him some putin, too.. Cha Dec 2014 #33

Well put AndreaCG Dec 2014 #58

Maybe NSA spying wasn't such a good idea. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #4

Maybe Sony employees would like to keep their private info private. nt ucrdem Dec 2014 #5

Maybe everybody would like to keep their private info private from the NSA. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #6

Maybe the NSA isn't collecting your private info. nt ucrdem Dec 2014 #7

But, it does seem concerned about a lot of peoples. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #8

NSA info collection is regulated. China's info collection isn't. ucrdem Dec 2014 #9

What makes you think that China's collection of info isn't regulated by the Chinese? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #10

China's security agencies aren't regulated by US law. ucrdem Dec 2014 #11

You don't say. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #12

Oddly enough our security agencies aren't regulated by Chinese law. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #14

You have no idea what the NSA is doing. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #17

Actually we have a fairly clear idea thanks to compliance legislation signed by guess who: ucrdem Dec 2014 #20

I think you are too easily convinced. I suggest you keep an open mind. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #21

Interesting that you side with the huge, powerful NSA/CIA Security State and disparage rhett o rick Dec 2014 #15

There's where you're wrong. ucrdem Dec 2014 #22

"The Obama admin on the other hand has consistently run the govt according to the law, many of them rhett o rick Dec 2014 #26

WaPo, July 24, 2009: "NSA Names Its First Director of Compliance" ucrdem Dec 2014 #27

No, some are more easily convinced their authoritarian leaders are taking very good care of rhett o rick Dec 2014 #28

Right. Because we should do nothing in the face of international spying. pnwmom Dec 2014 #18

Right. We should completely trust the unregulated massive Securtiy State because rhett o rick Dec 2014 #31

How exaggerated treestar Dec 2014 #32

The NSA collects international intelligence. Our constitutional rights don't apply pnwmom Dec 2014 #37

Even Gen Clapper told us otherwise. But if that's the rationalization you need to rhett o rick Dec 2014 #49

They shouldn't do any spying? treestar Dec 2014 #35

I've seen a lot of stupid posts on DU today. nt. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #13

If you've noticed they never discuss issues but post Obama adulation OP's and hate Snowden and anyon rhett o rick Dec 2014 #16

Maybe letting LoZocolo back in this place wasn't such a great idea. QC Dec 2014 #19

What are you trying to say? LoZocolo? Really? What's he have to do with this? Cha Dec 2014 #24

I think he's looking for a lost friend. nt ucrdem Dec 2014 #30

Lost in Locozolo land.. You make a post talking about eddie and his dumping data to China and he Cha Dec 2014 #36

What brought this on, ucr? Cha Dec 2014 #23

The Sony hack ucrdem Dec 2014 #25

Oh yeah, I remember that.. I didn't know that China was supposedly involved in the hacking of Sony! Cha Dec 2014 #29

Just a guess but yeah, cyberwarfare is the name of the game these days. ucrdem Dec 2014 #38

I see all kinds of evidence of FB, Amazon, DKos, etc being aware of my online activities.. Cha Dec 2014 #39

They aren't. Your pal is just making shit up. But he said "snowden" so toe the line. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #40

"toe the line".. lol.. you poor thing. There is no fucking line. Cha Dec 2014 #41

Here's a line for that one: ucrdem Dec 2014 #43

You're Welcome. Cha Dec 2014 #45

He's right-- this is one of the downright stupidest attacks I've seen yet. Marr Dec 2014 #52

Totally off topic, but riqster Dec 2014 #53

No, I don't think it's totally OT.. it's right on topic! mahalo riqster! Cha Dec 2014 #54

Reuters, Friday: "U.S. authorities have found a possible Chinese link to the cyberattack" ucrdem Dec 2014 #42

Mahalo.. info that some don't want to know about. Cha Dec 2014 #46

Snowden is Paul Revere with a thumbdrive full of Sony passwords ucrdem Dec 2014 #47

You are smokin' the funny stuff. Gen Clapper and his multi-billion dollar spy rhett o rick Dec 2014 #50

Also thanks to the 2009-10 Intel Act, Clapper's appointment was confirmed by the senate. ucrdem Dec 2014 #57

You are good at throwing out data and hoping some sticks to the wall. Not sure what your point is. rhett o rick Dec 2014 #64

Par for the course! freshwest Dec 2014 #55

Yep. 18 months and they still haven't gotten wise. ucrdem Dec 2014 #56

Thanks, ucrdem! freshwest Dec 2014 #65

That is your evidence? Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #59

Yes, and now it's your turn. ucrdem Dec 2014 #61

your evidence of snowden enabling an alleged chinese hack is? Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #63

. Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #34

It's Snowden's fault! I knew it! neverforget Dec 2014 #44

Our country only thinks 4 years in advance. nilesobek Dec 2014 #48

Because China didn't have hackers before. Marr Dec 2014 #51

The CT/CS Forum is that way... Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #60

No need to fork it over, it's not really secret. bemildred Dec 2014 #62

Post hoc ergo prompter hoc. LanternWaste Dec 2014 #66

I'll show you a prompter buddy ucrdem Dec 2014 #67