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Lee-Lee

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79. This is the kind of thing that happens when a department loses confidence in its leadership
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:21 AM
Dec 2014

Its nothing new to NYC. Labor actions happen in all kinds of departments.

In fact, its the exact same thing as a work slowdown by any other type of union, just a type of labor action. I know many here are hypocrites when it comes to workers rights and don't support unions for cops, but the reality is a labor action by cops is just as legitimate as one by any other group of workers. A true supporter of workers doesn't only support them for jobs they like.

I watched a neighboring agency in NC go through something similar. They had an officer disciplined for using a taser in a situation where it was 100% warranted, but it was the son of a prominent local activist who raised a stink (the son had been beating his wife, making such a scene the neighbors called 911). So the chief suspended him without pay for 3 months and has the domestic violence charges dropped. A couple of weeks later an officer was involved in a traffic accident during an emergency response and was fired- even though the dash cam showed the officer was correct and in compliance with traffic laws, and the driver of the other car did not yield to the lights and siren and in fact had headphones in. But the officer was fired anyway, because the press looked bad (child in the back seat of the other car was injured) and the chief wanted to be seen as "doing something". His justification was that the call (burglary in progress) didn't warrant an emergency response- even though response type was left to officer discretion unless directed otherwise and that agency almost always ran code for burglary in progress.

Keep in mind there was no union in this case, collective bargaining is forbidden by law in NC for all government employees.

So the officers quit running code to calls, unless it was an officer in distress. Because you could get disciplined or fired for an accident when it wasn't your fault, but couldn't get fired for taking a few minutes longer to respond in the name of safety. Why risk it if obviously the boss didn't want you to do so? Officers didn't go in to a domestic or anything else in a private residence without at least 2-3 others present- they stayed outside and said it was "too dangerous" because you could get fired for going in and ending it early using appropriate force, but couldn't get fired for playing it safe. They didn't arrest for anything unless it was a very serious crime, because making an arrest meant you might have to use force and that could get you fired, but giving a warning, not seeing the offence, writing a summons for something lessor that was just a ticket- well those were all lower risk actions. Any discrepancies with vehicles that would have been tolerated were written up as safety issues, etc.

It was essentially a "work-to-rule" of "rule-book slowdown" labor action done without a union.

Needless to say crime went up, citizens were unhappy, but the chief was stuck. His reputation was well known so he couldn't even manage to hire enough officers to replace the ones that left, so firing more was not an option. Crime was rising, citizens were unhappy with the responses and answers they got. That chief "retired" shortly thereafter.

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There is something VERY wrong with the NYPD sakabatou Dec 2014 #1
some thoughts Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #5
f that. they have no jurisdiction outside NYC right? elehhhhna Dec 2014 #110
Which is why they feel Hopemeister Dec 2014 #147
+100 NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #63
Can they do this? Horse with no Name Dec 2014 #2
NYPD needs to look in the mirror Politicalboi Dec 2014 #3
This is one union I won't support. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #4
+1 nt Live and Learn Dec 2014 #103
All police unions have to go, and I am the biggest union supporter I know...the reasons are obvious NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #121
So wait daredtowork Dec 2014 #6
So they basically just declared war on the citizenship? n/t ohheckyeah Dec 2014 #7
nah'they are just telling the truth for once. easychoice Dec 2014 #34
Seattle has some dirty cops. nilesobek Dec 2014 #71
imo drug testing is a violation of rights UNLESS you're carrying a weapon. elehhhhna Dec 2014 #112
They are just making public what has already avebury Dec 2014 #39
thanks -Im reading it now and ohheckyeah Dec 2014 #140
call me a conspiracy nut bettydavis Dec 2014 #67
makes one wonder n/t ohheckyeah Dec 2014 #139
When did they stop being a wartime department? Chisox08 Dec 2014 #8
Yes, they have been on war footing for quite some time Man from Pickens Dec 2014 #160
This is ridiculous octoberlib Dec 2014 #9
That sounds like middle school brer cat Dec 2014 #15
+1 And insubordination. nt Live and Learn Dec 2014 #106
This message was self-deleted by its author Lee-Lee Dec 2014 #117
Calm down NYPD, the terrorist killed himself. JaneyVee Dec 2014 #10
If two of your brothers were executed....would YOU be calm? Beausoir Dec 2014 #17
They have been behaving like spoiled children since the Garner verdict BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #23
Oh it has been a whole lot longer then that. avebury Dec 2014 #40
They've probably been thoroughly corrupt Boreal Dec 2014 #68
The police unions have been aggressively pushing this nonsense. Dawson Leery Dec 2014 #52
And what's really strange about this reaction is..... socialist_n_TN Dec 2014 #127
They've been on the most grisly "winning" streak of all time BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #135
All cops disgust you? Beausoir Dec 2014 #151
No, these assholes BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #156
I sure wouldn't be declaring war on the citizens of NY... JaneyVee Dec 2014 #41
How calm were they when RW hate killed officers in Las Vegas and Pennsylvania recently? blm Dec 2014 #49
"brothers"? fuck that shit Schema Thing Dec 2014 #55
Do the police give a shit about when cops beat the shit out of people? No, they 100% defend them. nt Logical Dec 2014 #57
They're cynically using these two deaths Feral Child Dec 2014 #70
Would it mean I get to ignore the law like the NYPD? Taitertots Dec 2014 #78
Our "brothers" have been executed... Live and Learn Dec 2014 #83
I rec this response. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #137
Bull Shit. Beausoir Dec 2014 #150
That is not reality. Live and Learn Dec 2014 #162
^^^^^THIS RIGHT HERE^^^^^ Tsiyu Dec 2014 #85
The person that wrote that sounds like he's in the wrong job. Renew Deal Dec 2014 #11
We are living in interesting times... wundermaus Dec 2014 #12
Prolly a good time to go back and watch Fort Apache the bronx. Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #36
It's on YouTube Renew Deal Dec 2014 #99
arigato (thanks!) Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #101
No problem Renew Deal Dec 2014 #105
If you haven't seen this site... Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #109
if they get war it'll be guerilla warfare against them. elehhhhna Dec 2014 #114
Shouldn't the second point always be the case? Renew Deal Dec 2014 #13
Maybe this will end the stop and frisk bullshit. NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #21
That was my first takeaway, too. Nevernose Dec 2014 #44
Who the hell is in charge of the NYPD? Raine1967 Dec 2014 #14
Seeing a little bit of that in Phoenix JonLP24 Dec 2014 #27
term and condition of employment AngryAmish Dec 2014 #30
except they do it all the time unless it's cops. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #64
The NYPD did not say this. An NYPD union did. (It's not the only NYPD union, btw) Raine1967 Dec 2014 #16
here is my question SummerSnow Dec 2014 #18
My question is does the writer understand the word 'literally'? Because, what he is saying kelly1mm Dec 2014 #56
+1 NobodyHere Dec 2014 #66
Just, wow. onecaliberal Dec 2014 #19
If it's a 'wartime department,' then it's time to send in the 101st Airborne, KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #20
Exactly. De Blasio is in a position to show the country how civilians retake command of militarists. ancianita Dec 2014 #28
Whether it's De Blasio, Cuomo or Obama matters little. Police are not allowed to issue KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #33
Seriously? When have any of us ever seen that happen? And how? I'd love to read any links you have. ancianita Dec 2014 #43
Seen what happen? I've never seen the police so flagrantly KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #47
What you said police aren't allowed to do -- issue veiled threats against the public or leaders and ancianita Dec 2014 #72
I heard a guy on CNN making those kinds of comments tonight. Renew Deal Dec 2014 #50
Holy shit, that's pretty brazen. The family of Mike Brown has issued a statement unequivocally KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #62
didn't St Louis PD threaten the citizenry, too? grasswire Dec 2014 #48
treason and isurrection. heavy stuff, that. elehhhhna Dec 2014 #115
Without a doubt...stupidest post I have ever read on DU. Beausoir Dec 2014 #152
Well, my Dad got a sucking chest wound at Inchon with the USMC but that KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #158
Bouncy. Beausoir Dec 2014 #161
increase the mayor's security detail. spanone Dec 2014 #22
I would not want to be in his shoes...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #25
nor would I. spanone Dec 2014 #26
I'm pretty sure his security is the NYPD Renew Deal Dec 2014 #51
If I were de Blasio, I think I might check out getting a people's militia....... socialist_n_TN Dec 2014 #128
Declaring war on the people you are supposed to protect and serve Kalidurga Dec 2014 #24
More like an occupying army. Downwinder Dec 2014 #29
Yes it is exactly like an occupying army Kalidurga Dec 2014 #45
AMEN AND AMEN!!! Any occupying Army is an oppressive force uponit7771 Dec 2014 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2014 #31
The mayor's hands are not literally dripping with their blood ... kwassa Dec 2014 #32
Thanks. It's like fingernails scraping down a chalkboard, isn't it? Drives KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #35
Seems to be the word I hear used wrong the most often. NT Alittleliberal Dec 2014 #155
The union isn't in command.....and can't give orders. Historic NY Dec 2014 #37
If it is "wartime", then Obama must pull and Ike and Dawson Leery Dec 2014 #38
As a wartime department, they can now serve in Afghanistan and Iraq ... kwassa Dec 2014 #42
+1 Better yet, hasn't Russia been getting on our nerves lately? Live and Learn Dec 2014 #86
This statement is fucking ASTONISHING... AzDar Dec 2014 #46
Thank you. nt woo me with science Dec 2014 #61
+1 And APPALLING! nt Live and Learn Dec 2014 #87
+1, yep-- I'm stunned at the arrogance. It's basically acknowledging every Marr Dec 2014 #131
Oh that's really #%^*ing helpful MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #53
Considering..... 99Forever Dec 2014 #54
Actually, it sounds like they might just start performing their jobs correctly. Live and Learn Dec 2014 #90
I doubt their definition of "when necessary" and ours... 99Forever Dec 2014 #96
That is what they are currently doing. Live and Learn Dec 2014 #97
We'll just have to agree to disagree. 99Forever Dec 2014 #100
I don't think we disagree at all. Live and Learn Dec 2014 #102
I plead low blood caffeine level. 99Forever Dec 2014 #107
Always. I knew you were a good one already. Live and Learn Dec 2014 #108
Is this guy instigating 2naSalit Dec 2014 #58
It's obvious that the grand jury members faced intimidation ecstatic Dec 2014 #59
McCullough doesn't fear the police. SwankyXomb Dec 2014 #157
These guys absolutely must be broken, the respect for civilians and civilian command are so tenuous TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #60
The police officers who support this do not deserve to be police officers. baldguy Dec 2014 #65
It's a legitimate labor tactic with a long history Lee-Lee Dec 2014 #119
Ha, so when the police slow down, they only arrest people when necessary? Live and Learn Dec 2014 #124
Intimidation of the public is not a tactic used by just any labor union. baldguy Dec 2014 #148
Maybe time for a beer in the rose garden? Jappleseed Dec 2014 #69
Like the NYPD.. sendero Dec 2014 #73
That's a fucked up group of people with guns uponit7771 Dec 2014 #74
The PBA has a huge lack of comprehension if they can't see the connection Vinca Dec 2014 #76
When you declare war on someone, better be prepare for them to declare war on you. Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #77
Yep. That IS the flip side to that statement..... socialist_n_TN Dec 2014 #81
This is the kind of thing that happens when a department loses confidence in its leadership Lee-Lee Dec 2014 #79
good points...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #80
That sounds a lot like a threat against the Mayor. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #82
You started the War, motherfuckers Tsiyu Dec 2014 #84
+1 nt Live and Learn Dec 2014 #94
So, no more Mr. Nice Guy? nt raouldukelives Dec 2014 #88
bitterly funny lol elehhhhna Dec 2014 #118
Holy fky sht LiberalElite Dec 2014 #89
war was when they were heroes Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #91
True - maybe with LiberalElite Dec 2014 #92
Further proof that 'the whole damn system is guilty as hell'. nt Live and Learn Dec 2014 #93
Are two units required to go to lunch or coffee break? Autumn Dec 2014 #95
Is this union actually declaring war? And if so, on who? Live and Learn Dec 2014 #98
Officers can choose to respond slower and not arrest Lee-Lee Dec 2014 #122
I will gladly suffer all of your examples over police murdering people. nt Live and Learn Dec 2014 #125
Thats because you have no experience with police strikes shaayecanaan Dec 2014 #144
+11111111111 eom Tsiyu Dec 2014 #153
And by the way, how often do police really prevent crimes at all? Live and Learn Dec 2014 #126
The police reduce crime by enforcing the law- the threat the enforcement is what dissuades more Lee-Lee Dec 2014 #132
Yeah, those drug laws sure dissuaded people Tsiyu Dec 2014 #154
Some Great examples. Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #142
Seems like they are under Faux pas Dec 2014 #104
Their reaction to this tragedy is disgusting abelenkpe Dec 2014 #111
Blaming the mayor for this is a chicknS**t way if denying their on culpability in behaviors that kelliekat44 Dec 2014 #113
What's next? Promoting racial profiling? Promoting stop and frisk? L0oniX Dec 2014 #116
Obama send in Federal troops, disarm the entire police department, right now. NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #120
The slain cops are NOT white? NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #123
I wonder about this talk of 'ambush'. I really have not riversedge Dec 2014 #130
Yeah-- and they keep calling it an "execution style" killing, too. Marr Dec 2014 #134
The details of this shooting have nothing to do with massive police abuse and NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #138
Yes, you are right riversedge Dec 2014 #143
So you ignored the shooter's instagram? former9thward Dec 2014 #133
Now police will pay the trainers to practice, the fast shoot anyone who approaches their car. Sunlei Dec 2014 #129
So they are at war with whom exactly? Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #136
It aparently does not occur to them that they are the ones who turned their "Wartime tactics" on jwirr Dec 2014 #141
. Hopemeister Dec 2014 #145
The police have been operating in war time mode for quite some time mb999 Dec 2014 #146
Wow, I guess the NYPD wants to be disbanded. They like the idea of being a rogue agency. Rex Dec 2014 #149
The PBA is denying the memo came from them . . . markpkessinger Dec 2014 #159
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