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Savannahmann

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18. PFUI!

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:40 PM

Dec 2014

I eschew your arguments. I reject them out of hand. I would have the post hidden if I state without reservation what I really think of it.

The police have created the environment of us versus them. Now they are reaping the results of that atmosphere. The results I am talking about is public anger and distrust. Demands for change, and reform. And what changes are people demanding? First, accountability. What an outragous demand, that the police be held accountable when they do something. The criminal justice system has no problem insisting that we the peons be held accountable but it's apparently too much to ask that law enforcement folks be held accountable. So much for Liberty and Justice for all.

What other changes? Cameras to show what the cop saw and did. How outragous is that? Why with that information we might double our calls for accountability.

I am heartened that more people from the suburbs and better neighborhoods are joining the calls. While this may be class treason to some, I see it as a good example of empathy with our fellow humans. I am proud to be one of those middle class whites you heap so much derision upon. I'm proud to stand with the disadvantaged and abused. You may be equally proud to stand with the oppressors and abusers. I don't know and would not offer an opinion on that. But I do wonder.

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There is nothing more pathetic than a bunch of white bourgie liberals spouting anti-police sentiment [View all] shaayecanaan Dec 2014 OP

Yeah, it's a hard job. Who cares if they kill a few folks who didn't do anything to deserve it? nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #1

Who cares when 2 cops 840high Dec 2014 #84

I don't think either is right. Treating the two murdered officers as the victims they are nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #87

True Demsrule86 Dec 2014 #125

++ Voice for Peace Dec 2014 #154

Absolutely. I second all of that. nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #160

Yeah, those cops have a long history of being killed with no accountability of the killer.. (no.. uponit7771 Dec 2014 #157

You say "they" like every LEO has killed someone in the line of duty. Very few ever encounter that. Red State Rebel Dec 2014 #146

I know the great majority never kill anyone. It just pisses me off when people act like the hazards nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #161

are you talkin to me ? are you talkin to me ? olddots Dec 2014 #2

Way to much simplistic leaps to set in stone judgments and not enough dialogue and solutions. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #3

You ever been to Mexico? XemaSab Dec 2014 #29

Differentiate between the police and the cartels. alphafemale Dec 2014 #34

The leaps of logic and false parallels is astounding with some folks, they are amusing. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #57

Which is my point exactly XemaSab Dec 2014 #79

Have you? truebluegreen Dec 2014 #48

Yeah, once XemaSab Dec 2014 #80

Almost all the towns have police control points leading into and out of town. Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #106

For the record, the speed bumps are there to enforce the speed limits truebluegreen Dec 2014 #120

Look what happens to protestors in Mexico too lunasun Dec 2014 #137

They do. a la izquierda Dec 2014 #52

Yes they do, there are municipal, federal police and soldiers. Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #105

the protests were mixed with many classes, what do you think of what happened JI7 Dec 2014 #4

I've mostly seen people who just want accountability. R B Garr Dec 2014 #5

Fuck the police who kill innocent Black PEOPle... fUCK tHEM. We know the difference. Cha Dec 2014 #6

True. Even if it's getting harder and harder to make that distinction, for some of us. nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #10

+1 nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #16

What about the police who kill Boreal Dec 2014 #32

You know they're not. Cha Dec 2014 #33

why does someone always have to do this? uppityperson Dec 2014 #66

because cops killing innocent people of color all over america hopemountain Dec 2014 #75

Fuck them too! bravenak Dec 2014 #151

Wow JonLP24 Dec 2014 #7

Many - LiberalElite Dec 2014 #12

I lost count a while ago... nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #13

So you would rather the LiberalElite Dec 2014 #8

There is a tendency to want to take white people out of the fight to make it a black vs white thing Iggo Dec 2014 #116

Who are you talking to? Marr Dec 2014 #9

Good question. I probably fit the OP's description in some ways, but I've never trusted the cops nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #14

FU to anyone suggesting that I should stay silent ecstatic Dec 2014 #11

There was a police riot in my neighborhood in Boston Warpy Dec 2014 #15

Didnt expect to see such a nice pearl reddread Dec 2014 #28

To your list of eminently sensible proposals, I would add that any officer-involved shooting that KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #37

A civilian. Not a cop, not a military man. Civilians to investigate all shootings. PDJane Dec 2014 #55

and any murders or beatings of minors by cops, too - hopemountain Dec 2014 #69

Yes. All of this. nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #70

As usual, you swoop in to salvage the thread. nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #67

Sorry about that Warpy Dec 2014 #95

Good start, would also like to see.... daleanime Dec 2014 #102

Dangerous jobs A Little Weird Dec 2014 #17

Fishing is twice as dangerous as being on active military service shaayecanaan Dec 2014 #22

No A Little Weird Dec 2014 #23

Cops don't have dangerous jobs when they aren't rage junkies. That's the problem. PDJane Dec 2014 #61

Friends have died fishing and yes I have cried. A friends son died logging and our community uppityperson Dec 2014 #71

PFUI! Savannahmann Dec 2014 #18

So you think all Whites who are appalled at police brutality against Blacks are mere poseurs? Ever WinkyDink Dec 2014 #19

No. But I think that people who seriously consider that shaayecanaan Dec 2014 #24

They ain't going to get those economic benefits under capitalism.... socialist_n_TN Dec 2014 #45

The very fact that so many people suspect them sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #81

Yes we must be fake liberals. That or we just hate cops right? Rex Dec 2014 #108

I, too, am pro-law enforcement. But as you say, not for what used to be rogue cops but are now WinkyDink Dec 2014 #111

You got that right. Rex Dec 2014 #143

I'll choose "pathetic" over "shut up". Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2014 #21

LOL, after reading your post, I am REALLY glad you are not doing it. Clueless. nt Logical Dec 2014 #25

Social problems we have today--like police who shoot first, ask later. nt valerief Dec 2014 #26

You probably also get mad when others mention sheeple. Rex Dec 2014 #27

are you really telling people to sit down and shut up about police brutality and racism? uppityperson Dec 2014 #30

High School in the '90s? Go Vols Dec 2014 #31

but we dont know half of what some ignorant kid brought up in post Reagan/Bush America knows reddread Dec 2014 #36

Hell, that was *elementary school* for me! nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #96

Yeah, OP got that part wrong should have been the 70's LOL snooper2 Dec 2014 #127

This is satire, right? nt Boreal Dec 2014 #35

I think he's mostly angry at baristas who wear tight black jeans BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #77

Respect ma authority! TBF Dec 2014 #38

I was saying "Fuck the police" in 1968. Where were you? hobbit709 Dec 2014 #39

There is one more thing, at the very least seveneyes Dec 2014 #40

I'll tell you what is more pathetic: seeing an unarmed 18-year-old black man gunned down in KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #41

+++ uppityperson Dec 2014 #73

+1,000,000!! nt tblue37 Dec 2014 #93

The KING has spoken! snooper2 Dec 2014 #155

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2014 #158

Well, that was dumb. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #42

Recommended. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #43

Well OK then. GeorgeGist Dec 2014 #44

<~ This white female bourgie Liberal... JaneyVee Dec 2014 #46

Who are you trying to impress Union Scribe Dec 2014 #47

There's little more inspiring than people of all sorts coming together to protest injustice bhikkhu Dec 2014 #49

Oh goodie, another hard-on for white hipsters OP. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #50

It's the skinny jeans... Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #109

Skinny jeans are a mainstream clothing staple in 2014. Quantess Dec 2014 #141

That'll do! WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #148

I guess that I can continue to support the anti-police protests then because my white family jwirr Dec 2014 #51

Except, of course, people who go around on Dem websites calling people 'white bourgie liberals'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #53

Glad you're not doing it, either. kcr Dec 2014 #54

You said it for me. Thanks. n/t UTUSN Dec 2014 #56

talk all the bullshit you want - but most cops are still sociopaths and you know it! Douglas Carpenter Dec 2014 #58

Been there, done that, got the release without prejudice seveneyes Dec 2014 #59

Seriously, Shaayecanaan? Scootaloo Dec 2014 #60

+1000 nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #98

No issue there shaayecanaan Dec 2014 #114

So, I guess you're really good at making friends. RiverLover Dec 2014 #62

Bourgies, booshies, boughetto... can't we all just get along? WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #91

Well said. n/t 7wo7rees Dec 2014 #101

Ugly comment KT2000 Dec 2014 #63

Beg to differ PumpkinAle Dec 2014 #64

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #65

+1 KT2000 Dec 2014 #86

I think this post is Kalidurga Dec 2014 #68

Bourgie? Don't lecture using words you clearly don't understand. Coventina Dec 2014 #72

I can think of a lot of things more pathetic. Demit Dec 2014 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Dec 2014 #76

Seems like everyone involved is playing the race card ... JEFF9K Dec 2014 #78

Real easy for those least likely to be abused, jailed, or slaughtered to be color blind. TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author otohara Dec 2014 #82

Wow, I didn't know they MADE straw men this big! hatrack Dec 2014 #83

OK, you win this thread!! Coventina Dec 2014 #85

I agree, that was a DUzy Hekate Dec 2014 #103

I met a traveler from an antique land, who said, "Two vast and trunkless legs of straw" hatrack Dec 2014 #133

Keeping a lid on poverty, unemployment and homelessness... SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #88

...And the inevitable Authoritarian Apologist Screed. Maedhros Dec 2014 #89

Congratulations Alittleliberal Dec 2014 #92

We need the "unrec" button back. nt tblue37 Dec 2014 #94

And a group dedicated to those *traumatized* by hipsters. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #149

There is. A bunch of working class whites voting against unions in order to show solidarity with McCamy Taylor Dec 2014 #97

. donheld Dec 2014 #99

limited knowledge.....tends to happen when one thinks without thinking it all through.... AuntPatsy Dec 2014 #100

A get off my lawn post Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #104

Actually there is: a drone like creature that never questions authority. Rex Dec 2014 #107

Why I don't like the term "white privilege" JI7 Dec 2014 #110

I like how you twist anti-police brutality into just anti-police RedCappedBandit Dec 2014 #112

It seems you achieved your objective. Feral Child Dec 2014 #113

Bravo!!!!!! forthemiddle Dec 2014 #115

Big fan of strawmen and cliche'? Darb Dec 2014 #122

I'm thinking tight rope walkers.. Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #135

oh H2O Man Dec 2014 #117

The Only Thing More Pathetic....... ChoppinBroccoli Dec 2014 #118

Simpleton, rightist, cliche' bullshit. Darb Dec 2014 #119

But the shooter in this case was obviously insane. In this case I ask why he was never treated CTyankee Dec 2014 #121

If you listen to rage against the machine the you get some cred even if you are a white liberal Township75 Dec 2014 #123

That would be Paul Ryan. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #150

It is a hard job Demsrule86 Dec 2014 #124

Nothing more pathetic leftynyc Dec 2014 #126

OK - as another non-American, I'm going to say what the Americans have refrained from saying LeftishBrit Dec 2014 #128

Thank you. Best post of the thread. nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #162

Good observations...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #163

Well said, bloke... kentuck Dec 2014 #164

War On Drugs, Quotas, Lawsuit Proliferation TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2014 #129

Liberals? Really? Please fredamae Dec 2014 #130

I am sorry you have such a low opinion of your fellow citizens randr Dec 2014 #131

Right-wing blather. kentuck Dec 2014 #132

Interesting that you are the one telling people to know their place... joeybee12 Dec 2014 #134

There is nothing more pathetic that someone posting utter bollocks on message boards. tenderfoot Dec 2014 #136

Bourgeois definition... so you know what you're actually talking about justiceischeap Dec 2014 #138

I'm glad someone has the courage to speak to the *real* issue. Orsino Dec 2014 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Dec 2014 #140

No matter how hard it is, it is no excuse for police criminality. Taitertots Dec 2014 #142

Dickensian orphans, hungry kittens on a roof during a flood arely staircase Dec 2014 #144

What is pathetic is your own attitude toward progressives pnwmom Dec 2014 #145

The overwhelming majority of police are Republican and vote that way Downtown Hound Dec 2014 #147

I am suprised this poster did not get tombstoned, they obviously do not repsect others on this site. dilby Dec 2014 #152

I explained it a bit further upthread shaayecanaan Dec 2014 #159

Your misplaced supercilious outrage is duly noted. Arugula Latte Dec 2014 #153

i am not white and i have never worn a fuck the cops t-shirt La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2014 #156