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105. Belief that they are like the military, does not make them subject to the same rules and procedures.

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:05 AM

Dec 2014

It's great that the NYPD has such esprit de corps, but they are not active members of the military who voluntarily agreed to abrogate certain constitutional rights, and it certainly doesn't remove or negate any of their constitutional protections as public employees or those provided by their contract with the City or from federal and state laws due to the officers' collective labor action.

Ask you husband if the dozens of officers at the hospital were actually on duty at the time? TorchTheWitch, in post #97, excellently explains the situation.

I, too, did not like it when the officers turned their backs to the mayor, and believed it was juvenile, but it was perfectly legal and will not subject them to any discipline, both due to legal and political reason.

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NYPD turns its back on Mayor De Blasio [View all] philosslayer Dec 2014 OP

Never surprised to see a Police Union ZX86 Dec 2014 #1

They serve and protect only themselves. hifiguy Dec 2014 #119

Fire them. NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #2

you sound like people on sabbat hunter Dec 2014 #7

I'm thinking from the aspect of insubordination. NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #8

The police do not work for the mayor, they work for the City. branford Dec 2014 #23

The Police Commissioner can be removed by the Mayor or Governor. NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #25

the current NYPD commissioner sabbat hunter Dec 2014 #27

He is. The officers in question are upset about that change. NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #30

Bill Bratton is very well respected among both rank and file police and the political establishment. branford Dec 2014 #40

exactly. If I did something like that to my boss, I would be out of the door in a New York minute still_one Dec 2014 #78

Are you a public employee covered by a collective bargaining agreement branford Dec 2014 #82

Well said Arcadiasix Dec 2014 #62

So you've shown solidarity with the Police Unions but will they ever show solidarity with YOU? 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #9

The first job of kkkops these days is hifiguy Dec 2014 #120

Well at least for teachers NobodyHere Dec 2014 #31

The 'people on the right' love the cops, so that is a failed analogy. They love them even more sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #39

+1 octoberlib Dec 2014 #68

And we claim to support rights under collectively bargaining agreements joeglow3 Dec 2014 #83

People will always support bad things happening to christx30 Dec 2014 #115

You claim is that 99% of the police in the country.... Logical Dec 2014 #46

The first is highly doubtful. The second is laughable on its face. n/t nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #49

99%? Awfully optimistic, especially in light of recent events. n/t nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #48

PBA Lynch may be endangering the Mayor by inciting the cops to disrespect him adigal Dec 2014 #90

It's actually very, very different that the military troop scenario. branford Dec 2014 #96

Again, you are wrong adigal Dec 2014 #100

My knowledge is of the actual constitutional and labor law. branford Dec 2014 #104

Free speech? mcguireb1 Dec 2014 #13

They basically insulted the head of their chain of command. (it's like insulting your supervisor) NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #14

Yeah that would go over really well in the tension they are dealing with now. helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #17

He still needs to demonstrate just who is in charge. NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #19

It would be terrible right now for him helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #22

I do not envy the mayor's current position. No good options for him. razorman Dec 2014 #89

He wanted to be mayor of NYC. branford Dec 2014 #93

Commissioner Bratton is in charge sabbat hunter Dec 2014 #28

I disagree. They are out of control and HAVE been out of control for decades now. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #41

I think Giuliani and Bloomberg should be indicted and tried... harrose Dec 2014 #86

I agree, and Giuliani should have been indicted long ago for his sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #87

Giuliani got those radios in an insider deal, the blood of the firemen was on his hands adigal Dec 2014 #91

I know he did and for months he refused to even listen when they tried to get the sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #103

+1000 nt adigal Dec 2014 #111

Spoken like a CEO... former9thward Dec 2014 #52

Not really. More a military culture. NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #58

No, the police are not de Blasio's personal army. former9thward Dec 2014 #64

Giuliani and Bloomberg felt otherwise. NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #65

But I would argue that Bloomberg and Giuliani were wrong in that assessment mythology Dec 2014 #70

The Mayor is not the head of their chain of command Reter Dec 2014 #94

Based upon your comment, avebury Dec 2014 #26

That's simply not true. branford Dec 2014 #44

.... NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #60

no real union busting in NY sabbat hunter Dec 2014 #66

Protest what, though? Are any rights or wages being taken from them? R B Garr Dec 2014 #37

They are protesting the 1st Amendment rights of the people. While claiming to be sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #42

Yeah, I don't understand either. It seems more like an assertion of their own status Marr Dec 2014 #69

You don't have a right to protest while on your job. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #59

they weren't on duty TorchTheWitch Dec 2014 #97

You are not 'on duty' if you are on strike, which is why you don't get paid while on strike. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #106

yet when on strike no one is on duty TorchTheWitch Dec 2014 #107

Good luck with your Fox News talking points. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #108

you know, I suspected that would be the cop out TorchTheWitch Dec 2014 #113

Sorry but poor communities don't want more racially-targeted stop-and-frisk or police killing PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #114

Not on the job... does NOT apply uponit7771 Dec 2014 #75

Not in uniform or on the tax payer's time JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #81

kick em while they are down eh? maced666 Dec 2014 #56

Just got a little angry. NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #57

It is time to break up the FOP. Dawson Leery Dec 2014 #3

Spoken like a CEO... former9thward Dec 2014 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author bluestateguy Dec 2014 #4

They gain nothing by this. Just more disgust. jwirr Dec 2014 #5

If I were the mayor, dgibby Dec 2014 #6

If I were Mayor DeBlasio meow2u3 Dec 2014 #15

what exactly have sabbat hunter Dec 2014 #32

Agreed. Ykcutnek Dec 2014 #36

You imagination is frightening and authoritarian in the extreme. branford Dec 2014 #45

You think Lynch or these cops would protect the Mayor or his family? adigal Dec 2014 #92

Lynch is not a patrol officer, he the head of the union. branford Dec 2014 #95

Sorry, you are wrong - he is still a cop adigal Dec 2014 #98

Lynch wouldn't be assigned to protect the mayor, branford Dec 2014 #101

My husband was a NYC cop, and now you are nitpicking adigal Dec 2014 #110

Unless you think he hand picked those cops at the hospital last night adigal Dec 2014 #99

Belief that they are like the military, does not make them subject to the same rules and procedures. branford Dec 2014 #105

I love how people make shit up as they go joeglow3 Dec 2014 #84

I agree, the NYPD is a threat to the Mayor and his family. He does need security sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #43

Mayors don't call up the National Guard. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2014 #51

We are happy you are not the Mayor. former9thward Dec 2014 #54

Longer version on You-tube.... riversedge Dec 2014 #10

Here is a bagger comment riversedge Dec 2014 #18

Whiny fuck ups. Cha Dec 2014 #11

This is the juvenile mentality woolldog Dec 2014 #12

Not bad apples for expression mcguireb1 Dec 2014 #16

... woolldog Dec 2014 #20

+1 nt NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #21

+2 nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #50

That makes sense. Marr Dec 2014 #72

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2014 #74

Yeap, sound like very very thin skinned people uponit7771 Dec 2014 #67

The mayor & council should direct the Commissioner to start putting the leadership back Historic NY Dec 2014 #24

Better yet replace the commissioner. AndreaCG Dec 2014 #33

Quite a few of those back-turners look like they don't meet weight standards. MADem Dec 2014 #29

many do actually sabbat hunter Dec 2014 #34

I'll bet those chunky ones aren't doing much if any walking. nt MADem Dec 2014 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2014 #35

You nailed it in one. hifiguy Dec 2014 #121

Police jobs tend to attract simple minds. Dawson Leery Dec 2014 #38

Could you make the standard? former9thward Dec 2014 #55

The police officers who did this do not deserve to be police officers. baldguy Dec 2014 #61

Really crappy NYPD PFunk Dec 2014 #63

Funny how those who always yell LiberalElite Dec 2014 #71

Insubordination??? branford Dec 2014 #73

Yes I believe there has been some but right LiberalElite Dec 2014 #88

Right wingers will cheer on the cops as "taking a stand" against that evil commie de Blasio, alp227 Dec 2014 #76

Those officers who did that should be disciplined, and perhaps put on probation. The OP "NYPD", is still_one Dec 2014 #77

You're right.. it's not all NYPD. and they should be strongly disciplined. Cha Dec 2014 #109

I can't see the video. Won't play diabeticman Dec 2014 #79

I agree cwydro Dec 2014 #80

just like cops all over this country have turned their backs on basic human rights 1step Dec 2014 #85

Yep. It is symbolic and telling. Cops only care about their own. Rex Dec 2014 #102

Fire them mwrguy Dec 2014 #112

Question: christx30 Dec 2014 #116

Federal Marshalls mwrguy Dec 2014 #117

And I don't recall the cops christx30 Dec 2014 #118

So maturity is not one of the qualities they arthritisR_US Dec 2014 #122