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In reply to the discussion: MH17 was the, "Wrong plane," says Ukrainian fighter pilot after shootdown. [View all]NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)88. "The source is not anonymous"
The witness, who chose to remain anonymous, told Komsomolskaya Pravda (KP) daily that a pilot of a Ukrainian Su-25 fighter jet was behind the MH17 flight downing on July 17. He claimed that the pilot used air-to-air missiles to shoot down the Malaysian Boeing, which he concludes was probably mistaken for a military plane.
and that a plane must be fully loaded in order to shoot a rocket at another plane sounds slightly off the mark, player.
First, get your technical details right. Missiles and rockets are not the same thing, and if the pilot had managed to hit MH17 with a rocket, he's a goddamn marksman the likes of which the world has never seen.
Second, any missiles installed on an aircraft's hard points create drag for the aircraft. Even one can keep an aircraft from reaching its maximum ceiling, and since the maximum ceiling for even the highest climbing Su-25 is still below MH17's altitude at the time, there's simply no way the fighter could have had a position to fire on it. You install even one missile on an aircraft like the Su-25, it's not going to be doing 10,000 meters.
And who said anything about an Su-25 "being sent to intercept a target"?
Ground attack aircraft and civilian airliners don't just happen upon each other at their very different cruising altitudes. It's clear you don't know how ATC works, but someone had to tell the Su-25 pilot about the aircraft flying at least ten thousand feet above it and direct it.
And even if Ukraine wanted to intercept the aircraft, they know the air-to-air limitations of the Su-25 and would have sortied any one of their more than 50 MiG-29s or Su-27s, their dedicated air superiority fighters, to intercept it.
So, the tl;dr version: You don't have a clue what you're talking about.
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MH17 was the, "Wrong plane," says Ukrainian fighter pilot after shootdown. [View all]
another_liberal
Dec 2014
OP
It's all over the world press. Only the Corporate Media has stopped reporting on that
sabrina 1
Dec 2014
#98
the rational view - Russia didn't ask for this & Putin has high approval in his country
WillYourVoteBCounted
Dec 2014
#163
The difference is.. RT is Putin's Propaganda Outlet and US Media is GOPropaganda. And, most of us
Cha
Dec 2014
#105
4 "investigating" Countries Agreed Not to Disclose Key Details in Downing of MH17
WillYourVoteBCounted
Dec 2014
#161
MH17 - 4 Countries Agreed Not to Disclose Key Details in Downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17
WillYourVoteBCounted
Dec 2014
#164
How many different explanations is this now? I lost count. Next thing we'll know Putin
Nuclear Unicorn
Dec 2014
#5
"Consciousness of guilt," I think the term is. "Muddying the waters," also comes to mind.
Nuclear Unicorn
Dec 2014
#7
Putin will need to wait until OJ is finished finding the real hackers for North Korea
Trekologer
Dec 2014
#15
A source that's been discredited more than Shrub needs an open minded approach?
hobbit709
Dec 2014
#19
"A witness, who chose to remain anonymous, told Komsomolskaya Pravda (KP) daily"
Nuclear Unicorn
Dec 2014
#3
There are also conservative "media reports" and "studies" that show climate change is a hoax.
pampango
Dec 2014
#17
My point? "That is the way the game is played..RT story is not a surprise." "Some people tell lies."
pampango
Dec 2014
#41
I'll leave all that to a team of unbiased, neutral international experts to explore . . .
another_liberal
Dec 2014
#102
They already did, and found it was brought down by a surface to air missile.
NuclearDem
Dec 2014
#104
Knowledge of how surface to air and air to air missiles work, and photographs of the wreckage.
NuclearDem
Dec 2014
#123
"Chances are the rebels locked onto MH-17 while trying to lock onto the Su-25 and fired."
Adsos Letter
Dec 2014
#145
Two, 100-kg missiles are enough to drop the max ceiling by quite a bit, actually
NickB79
Dec 2014
#91
...or the untrained rebels accidentally locked onto MH-17 instead of the Su-25
NuclearDem
Dec 2014
#130
Actually, Russia's attempt to make the shootdown look like an attempted assassination of Putin
NuclearDem
Dec 2014
#53
The "haranguing" is over the complete technical implausibility of the story.
NuclearDem
Dec 2014
#78