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In reply to the discussion: MH17 was the, "Wrong plane," says Ukrainian fighter pilot after shootdown. [View all]NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)131. First WSWS, now Global Research.
Fine, I'll humor you.
The facts speak clear and loud and are beyond the realm of speculation: The cockpit shows traces of shelling!
Yes, from the shrapnel of a fragmentation burst missile exploding near the nose, what a radar guided missile would do if it were leading the aircraft.
Moreover, it is evident that at these exit holes of the outer layer of the double aluminum reinforced structure are shredded or bent outwardly!
Yes, and this is called explosive decompression, where air violently forces its way out, bending metal on its way.
This aircraft was not hit by a missile in the central portion.
Which rules out any sort of infrared homing missile that would have targeted the aircraft's engines, and rules in a radar guided missile that would have struck close to the nose.
This is on account of the nose of any aircraft having to withstand the impact of a large bird at high speeds.
Birds, not shrapnel from a missile designed to take down aircraft, including ones protected against BASH hazards.
So what could have happened? Russia recently published radar recordings, that confirm at least one Ukrainian SU 25 in close proximity to MH 017.
Not surprising at all, as they were likely conducting ground attack operations against rebel forces, exactly what the aircraft is intended to do.
It is equipped with a double-barreled 30-mm gun, type GSh-302 / AO-17A, equipped with: a 250 round magazine of anti-tank incendiary shells and splinter-explosive shells (dum-dum)
And how exactly do you expect an Su-25 to come into guns range of an aircraft flying much higher than its ceiling? Su-25s flying around a hot area don't fly out empty; they're typically armed for whatever ground attack operation they're carrying out. Missiles add a significant amount of drag and weight to any aircraft, which drastically reduces its operational ceiling. The Su-25, at best, and in the case of only one variant that primarily serves as a target tug, has a ceiling of about 32,000 feet unloaded, and much closer to 14 or 15 thousand loaded, which puts it tens of thousands of feet below MH-17 at 33,000.
So, no, an Su-25 could not have possibly shot down MH-17 with either missiles or guns. Chances are the rebels locked onto MH-17 while trying to lock onto the Su-25 and fired.
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MH17 was the, "Wrong plane," says Ukrainian fighter pilot after shootdown. [View all]
another_liberal
Dec 2014
OP
It's all over the world press. Only the Corporate Media has stopped reporting on that
sabrina 1
Dec 2014
#98
the rational view - Russia didn't ask for this & Putin has high approval in his country
WillYourVoteBCounted
Dec 2014
#163
The difference is.. RT is Putin's Propaganda Outlet and US Media is GOPropaganda. And, most of us
Cha
Dec 2014
#105
4 "investigating" Countries Agreed Not to Disclose Key Details in Downing of MH17
WillYourVoteBCounted
Dec 2014
#161
MH17 - 4 Countries Agreed Not to Disclose Key Details in Downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17
WillYourVoteBCounted
Dec 2014
#164
How many different explanations is this now? I lost count. Next thing we'll know Putin
Nuclear Unicorn
Dec 2014
#5
"Consciousness of guilt," I think the term is. "Muddying the waters," also comes to mind.
Nuclear Unicorn
Dec 2014
#7
Putin will need to wait until OJ is finished finding the real hackers for North Korea
Trekologer
Dec 2014
#15
A source that's been discredited more than Shrub needs an open minded approach?
hobbit709
Dec 2014
#19
"A witness, who chose to remain anonymous, told Komsomolskaya Pravda (KP) daily"
Nuclear Unicorn
Dec 2014
#3
There are also conservative "media reports" and "studies" that show climate change is a hoax.
pampango
Dec 2014
#17
My point? "That is the way the game is played..RT story is not a surprise." "Some people tell lies."
pampango
Dec 2014
#41
I'll leave all that to a team of unbiased, neutral international experts to explore . . .
another_liberal
Dec 2014
#102
They already did, and found it was brought down by a surface to air missile.
NuclearDem
Dec 2014
#104
Knowledge of how surface to air and air to air missiles work, and photographs of the wreckage.
NuclearDem
Dec 2014
#123
"Chances are the rebels locked onto MH-17 while trying to lock onto the Su-25 and fired."
Adsos Letter
Dec 2014
#145
Two, 100-kg missiles are enough to drop the max ceiling by quite a bit, actually
NickB79
Dec 2014
#91
...or the untrained rebels accidentally locked onto MH-17 instead of the Su-25
NuclearDem
Dec 2014
#130
Actually, Russia's attempt to make the shootdown look like an attempted assassination of Putin
NuclearDem
Dec 2014
#53
The "haranguing" is over the complete technical implausibility of the story.
NuclearDem
Dec 2014
#78