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131. If you read about Native American spirituality and cultural appropriation

Thu Dec 25, 2014, 05:59 PM

Dec 2014

you'll read a great deal. It is hard to understand and you pick up on part of why. It's a tricky issue and I'm not surprised there's confusion.

I saw an article about how The Nightmare Before Christmas is about a kind of cultural appropriation. Jack is fascinated by Christmas and really wants to give it a go, but he really just takes over, and what he ends up with is so tainted by his authentic self that it isn't really Christmas anymore. So imagine Christmas as it once was no longer existing and only ever seeing that version of Christmas. There's a loss when that happens.

White people can appreciate aspects of oppressed cultures respectfully without taking them over and altering them, and without mocking them as this woman (can't think of her name) does with Hip-Hop when she alters her natural speech. It is an area where there is gray area and that's probably why it's so hard to get a handle on and understand. But it isn't without damage.

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White hip hop artist under fire [View all] termroffor Dec 2014 OP

It's not her being a rapper that bothers people Nevernose Dec 2014 #1

It is hard to tell what bothers "people" termroffor Dec 2014 #2

What's your take on it? arcane1 Dec 2014 #5

My take is that there is a difference between mimicry and celebration bhikkhu Dec 2014 #122

do you think it is acceptable for black people to be pop/country/classical/polka artists? msongs Dec 2014 #3

Duh termroffor Dec 2014 #4

Hierarchies of privilege are asymmetrical. Gravitycollapse Dec 2014 #18

Everytime I hear Kurska Dec 2014 #64

That some progressives are pushing segregationist ideas makes me sick. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #89

Imagine the history of popular music without "appropriation" shaayecanaan Dec 2014 #146

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No, it isn't about segregation. It's about respect. n/t gollygee Dec 2014 #173

Saying that cultures should not borrow from each other is segregationist. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #300

There's another thread about the difference between cultural appropriation gollygee Dec 2014 #304

Segregation? I do not think that word means what you think it means TampaAnimusVortex Dec 2014 #379

If you'd read any of the discussion so far gollygee Dec 2014 #381

Welcome to the Internet. TampaAnimusVortex Dec 2014 #382

Welcome to multitasking gollygee Dec 2014 #383

Nice fuzzy concepts there... TampaAnimusVortex Dec 2014 #384

Fuzzy to you gollygee Dec 2014 #388

It isn't segregation BainsBane Dec 2014 #259

One can criticize Iggy Azalea for being a tasteless jerk aping racist stereotypes... Odin2005 Dec 2014 #301

Minstrel shows. bravenak Dec 2014 #311

That I agree with. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #312

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And all art is a conversation. None of it happens in a vacuum. Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #283

+1 eom Kurska Dec 2014 #296

What about a black person singing Japanese folk music? shaayecanaan Dec 2014 #77

The Japanese don't think Westerners can write haiku Generic Other Dec 2014 #309

Meh...even IF that's true... NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #136

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sez you Shivering Jemmy Dec 2014 #285

It's a good thing I have a strong historico-theoretical basis for my opinion. Gravitycollapse Dec 2014 #286

I'm sorry but... pipi_k Dec 2014 #109

Hell yes I can! Oilwellian Dec 2014 #149

Charley Pride proves it's acceptable for black people to be country artists jmowreader Dec 2014 #121

Mexicans, on the other hand, have assimilated polka in the form of Norteño FrodosPet Dec 2014 #405

Pop and country derive from black music. So yeah, it's cool. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #152

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Country derives from Appalachian folk music. Which is European in origin. ancianita Dec 2014 #210

+1 Go Vols Dec 2014 #214

It was that music meets black blues, though. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #348

Yep. A cool thing about country is that it has evolved in its give and take with other musical forms ancianita Dec 2014 #349

Appropriation or one of the best C&R singers,ever? marble falls Dec 2014 #375

Ice, ice, Baby.. denbot Dec 2014 #6

What a racist pile of crap joeglow3 Dec 2014 #7

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Disgusting article. _Blue_ Dec 2014 #8

THANK YOU Skittles Dec 2014 #151

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She is Australian and changes her vocal style to sound like she's African American gollygee Dec 2014 #9

To be fair, the OP (unlike you) only used quotation marks when quoting someone. Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #10

Again, it is about her changing her style of speech to mimic African Americans gollygee Dec 2014 #14

Kinda like Hillary with her I ain't no ways tired speech? Nt benz380 Dec 2014 #24

We one to DU! zappaman Dec 2014 #34

Since when do black women NobodyHere Dec 2014 #51

The way Charlie Pride... sendero Dec 2014 #74

Cultural appropriation is when dominant groups take over something from an oppressed group gollygee Dec 2014 #76

Cultural appropriation.... sendero Dec 2014 #80

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That isn't the same gollygee Dec 2014 #171

Beg pardon? I don't think you mean he was well spoken for a person of color. Thats the way he talked marble falls Dec 2014 #376

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #36

My parents like a country music singer from (I think) Australia who fakes his southern accent. arcane1 Dec 2014 #37

Keith Urban, perhaps? n/t. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #372

I have a white friend who talks like he's black Reter Dec 2014 #11

Did you hear hte part about her being Australian? gollygee Dec 2014 #12

There are black people in Australia . . . nt branford Dec 2014 #22

black people in australia are not african americans unless they are visiting or expats JI7 Dec 2014 #33

I.... just. Wow Number23 Dec 2014 #47

I'm stuck on JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #156

"This thread is going nowhere" Don't ALL race threads on this clueless web site go nowhere? Isn't Number23 Dec 2014 #229

I kind of think the flattery thing gollygee Dec 2014 #238

I kind of think that you are absolutely right. Number23 Dec 2014 #240

And they Talk like they're from Alabama? bravenak Dec 2014 #53

I assume you saw her photo in the post, and Aboriginal Australians don't gollygee Dec 2014 #69

An entirely different race treestar Dec 2014 #114

Might be the main at ignorant thing... a la izquierda Dec 2014 #297

People do that with reggae all the time. Marr Dec 2014 #23

They made a cartoon of it shaayecanaan Dec 2014 #79

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How do you feel about actors faking accents? joeglow3 Dec 2014 #57

She isn't an actor n/t gollygee Dec 2014 #68

No shit. How do you decide in which artistic medium it is okay? joeglow3 Dec 2014 #94

She's an entertainer. Her job is to be entertaining. XemaSab Dec 2014 #354

When someone is acting and playing a part of someone who has an accent gollygee Dec 2014 #389

Oh, does she put on blackface? joeglow3 Dec 2014 #400

She puts on a cartoonish stereotyped version of African American speech gollygee Dec 2014 #402

I think the real issue... NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #403

I'm sure you do think that. n/t gollygee Dec 2014 #404

What does she do that is cartoonish? joeglow3 Dec 2014 #408

She does not use her natural style of speech. Instead, she fakes gollygee Dec 2014 #409

That is NOT cartoonish joeglow3 Dec 2014 #412

It is a cartoonish version of that accent gollygee Dec 2014 #414

What a pile of bull shit joeglow3 Dec 2014 #415

I don't have a personal dislike for her gollygee Dec 2014 #416

Larry the Cable Guy is on a stage, just as this singer joeglow3 Dec 2014 #417

He doesn't appropriate a stereotyped version of a speaking style of a person of color gollygee Dec 2014 #418

We are going in circles joeglow3 Dec 2014 #419

It's very sound logic. gollygee Dec 2014 #420

I get lost joeglow3 Dec 2014 #421

Assimilation is a survival skill gollygee Dec 2014 #422

I think it is bad that you see barriers people shouldn't cross joeglow3 Dec 2014 #423

I understand that's what you see gollygee Dec 2014 #424

None of which have anything to do with... NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #425

Yes, they have a lot to do with it gollygee Dec 2014 #426

Apparently "poorly faking a stereotyped version of an accent"... NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #427

It's like a minstrel show gollygee Jan 2015 #434

If she has any skills, I wish she'd start using them... Violet_Crumble Dec 2014 #429

I didn't realize you were Australian. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #430

I only became of her a few weeks ago... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #431

Happy New Year to you too. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #432

You mean like... yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #199

Is it hard being that obtuse? joeglow3 Dec 2014 #205

Whateva dude... yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #207

Do you also blast the new cast of Annie? joeglow3 Dec 2014 #218

Annie is a fictional character gollygee Dec 2014 #220

As is the fictional character this artist is playing on stage. joeglow3 Dec 2014 #231

You are intentionally ignoring the issue gollygee Dec 2014 #233

Which artist? Iggy Azalea? Everything Sucks Dec 2014 #287

You think Madonna is the person she portrays on stage . joeglow3 Dec 2014 #292

How can I blast something I have never seen ... yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #290

Why not? joeglow3 Dec 2014 #293

Racism sucks... yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #329

I agree. It is very racist to claim someone can't sing a certain way because they are white joeglow3 Dec 2014 #332

Someone made the important point... yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #333

I agree it is about intent. joeglow3 Dec 2014 #334

Actually, she changed her vocal style to sound like a southern rapper...not AA per se. PragmaticLiberal Dec 2014 #92

So should everyone be eternally wedded to the stereotypes we hold? bhikkhu Dec 2014 #123

Cultural appropriation goes one way gollygee Dec 2014 #176

Isn't the AA culture the dominant force of hip-hop? _Blue_ Dec 2014 #239

Again, that is the whole point of how it's cultural appropriation gollygee Dec 2014 #241

I would rather look at Rihanna or Beyoncé than Iggy. Not so much with Nicki Minaj.. _Blue_ Dec 2014 #243

This is about cultural trends, not your personal tastes. n/t gollygee Dec 2014 #244

I think the cultural trend is that hip hop is AA dominated _Blue_ Dec 2014 #245

You don't hear the same stuff about Eminem gollygee Dec 2014 #246

Iggy's sound and style is popular. She shouldn't be punished for artistic success. _Blue_ Dec 2014 #247

She isn't being punished for artistic success gollygee Dec 2014 #249

There's nothing wrong with utilizing elements of the southern hip hop style. _Blue_ Dec 2014 #250

She is being scorned for mimicing someone else's sound. gollygee Dec 2014 #251

"he doesn't change his natural style of speech." EX500rider Dec 2014 #267

"only sings like that" gollygee Dec 2014 #269

You don't hear the same stuff about Eminem XemaSab Dec 2014 #355

Probably true. gollygee Dec 2014 #365

Oh, please. Everything Sucks Dec 2014 #371

"I would rather look at Rihanna or Beyoncé than Iggy." EX500rider Dec 2014 #265

More than 'pretty cute'. bravenak Dec 2014 #316

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Mick Jagger and Mick Hucknall are English, John Fogerty is American, and they do the same thing. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #350

I'm talking about the speech style when she raps gollygee Dec 2014 #351

i wouldn't call it a "speech" style. it's music. unblock Dec 2014 #353

No it isn't singing gollygee Dec 2014 #367

This is part of a deeper story for Azealia Banks. JaneyVee Dec 2014 #13

I would have told her: Welcome to the club, plus the exploitation and the people that have been.. BlueJazz Dec 2014 #35

Obviously if one cries one is always sincere and right AngryAmish Dec 2014 #65

I think you should watch the video before commenting. JaneyVee Dec 2014 #142

I agree her tears are real. aikoaiko Dec 2014 #327

she only gets emotional while talking about both her songs and slave reparations. Calista241 Dec 2014 #410

So, does she protest against Eminem? n/t bobclark86 Dec 2014 #104

Oh, does she ever. Dr. Strange Dec 2014 #150

Yep. She has. PragmaticLiberal Dec 2014 #175

Hip hop loves rapper feuds. aikoaiko Dec 2014 #15

All this has happened before and will happen again wyldwolf Dec 2014 #16

So say we all. dawg Dec 2014 #340

PLEASE READ THE ARTICLE, THIS IS NOT WHAT SHE SAID uponit7771 Dec 2014 #17

Cultural appropriation is an invalid concept LittleBlue Dec 2014 #19

yeah, here's an example - not quite the same thing... wyldwolf Dec 2014 #20

Now that I think about it, I don't see African Americans playing banjo very often either. arcane1 Dec 2014 #42

Or, The Other Way ProfessorGAC Dec 2014 #177

Ahistorical reductionism is not a valid intellectual position. Try again. Gravitycollapse Dec 2014 #21

Who exactly appointed you the judge of what is or is not a "valid intellectual position" branford Dec 2014 #25

My position is a universal in my academic concentration. Gravitycollapse Dec 2014 #44

A list of unprovable terms with no conceivable application LittleBlue Dec 2014 #191

Why do you state it can't be proven? kwassa Dec 2014 #248

Unprovable in what respect? If you want to be an absolutist, up your semantics game. Gravitycollapse Dec 2014 #279

Wow. MrScorpio Dec 2014 #61

WRONG! Native Americans certainly own the right to call their artwork "Native American". KittyWampus Dec 2014 #90

Nope. You're talking about trademarks LittleBlue Dec 2014 #185

Yes, Ayn Rand, you have the legal right to do a number of irresponsible things. n/t gollygee Dec 2014 #242

That is a matter of debate LittleBlue Dec 2014 #255

No, it's about irresponsibility and disrespect. gollygee Dec 2014 #271

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #186

Don't... pinboy3niner Dec 2014 #26

traffic traffic, lookin for my chapstick. DawgHouse Dec 2014 #32

Ha! Desert805 Dec 2014 #62

It is acceptable if she continues to be successful. Ykcutnek Dec 2014 #27

What's that they say about "flattery?" nt kelliekat44 Dec 2014 #28

+1 Go Vols Dec 2014 #215

Ask Eminem. PeteSelman Dec 2014 #29

I don't know about racist backwoodsbob Dec 2014 #67

So, I just watched an Iggy Azalea video so I would know what the brouhaha is over TransitJohn Dec 2014 #82

Thank you for having an open mind gollygee Dec 2014 #96

Thank you, beat me to the punch. I don't care about Iggy personally but she stinks. sir pball Dec 2014 #216

It would be like saying Azealia Banks wears a straight wig to give herself a more anglo look... 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #30

If you think that hair is "anglo", you are ignorant of African-American style. morningfog Dec 2014 #38

I'm only pointing out how absurd and idiotic her attack on Icky Australian is 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #39

Faking a black accent is insulting as hell. bravenak Dec 2014 #103

You're first sentence treestar Dec 2014 #111

Immitation is not always flattery. bravenak Dec 2014 #116

I agree it is possible they are doing it to make fun of people treestar Dec 2014 #117

There is no reason for her to do it. bravenak Dec 2014 #120

"I think that may be why it irritates. She's pretty, rich, blond, famous." EX500rider Dec 2014 #305

Naw, playa, it was right the first time. bravenak Dec 2014 #310

American teens Everything Sucks Dec 2014 #335

They buy anything. Anything at all. bravenak Dec 2014 #336

Isn't most weave hair from India? XemaSab Dec 2014 #356

cultural appropriation is when a dominate group takes on, or takes over, gollygee Dec 2014 #72

Are there any other examples? treestar Dec 2014 #112

If you read about Native American spirituality and cultural appropriation gollygee Dec 2014 #131

I thought imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. BlueJazz Dec 2014 #31

Not always. gollygee Dec 2014 #78

Oh..I understand the topic and the issue. I say this with all kindness> BlueJazz Dec 2014 #88

Of course it is acceptable. You can't control music and art like something you own. Vattel Dec 2014 #40

Mick Jagger. Iggo Dec 2014 #41

Who stole from Muddy Waters JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #157

That's the point. Iggo Dec 2014 #180

Well - I think if she wants to be one of us JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #181

Can she take it? Here is her twitter log regarding the latest Banks poutrage... MelungeonWoman Dec 2014 #192

She comes across as very angry JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #202

As I said before, I thought parts were quite uplifting. MelungeonWoman Dec 2014 #219

To each their own. She's angry to me. - have an eta book rec JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #221

Fate? LOL gollygee Dec 2014 #222

My brother's best friend from high school - my friend JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #230

Whatever. MelungeonWoman Dec 2014 #235

I don't know either! JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #236

And yet, like most popular male rappers, they're nowhere near exceptional in their rapping skills. nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #253

you kids with your tight pants and the long hair olddots Dec 2014 #43

White appropriation of black culture is nothing new but Iggy takes it to another level Number23 Dec 2014 #45

I think you hit the nail on the head with yr post... Violet_Crumble Dec 2014 #66

Ugh. So she's clueless about black Americans AND black Australians?? Number23 Dec 2014 #124

She's also clueless about Australian hip hop... Violet_Crumble Dec 2014 #299

What a great post, Violet. And I agree with you Number23 Dec 2014 #361

His name's Geoffrey Gurrumul Yunupingu, and unlike Iggy he's amazingly talented... Violet_Crumble Dec 2014 #399

"difference between Iggy and Eminem and the Beastie Boys is that they've got talent and she doesn't" EX500rider Dec 2014 #306

No. bravenak Dec 2014 #314

Actually yes.....and if Eminem's talent is singing about raping Iggy I can do without, thanks.. EX500rider Dec 2014 #318

Did he really do that? bravenak Dec 2014 #322

Actually i agree, I think the Aussie accent would be cool in a rap also. EX500rider Dec 2014 #326

Good post. eom TransitJohn Dec 2014 #101

So it's about the money. It's really only offensive because she's successful. n/t hughee99 Dec 2014 #107

If you got that out of my post, out of the article in the OP and out of the comments in this thread Number23 Dec 2014 #125

When people become concerned about cultural hughee99 Dec 2014 #128

Black people have railed against cultural appropriation forever. To NO avail Number23 Dec 2014 #135

Ah, I see what you did there... hughee99 Dec 2014 #137

Yes, because no one ever railed before the Internet was created. Number23 Dec 2014 #139

So I should do a bit of research into the number of black people that railed about hughee99 Dec 2014 #140

As I said in my first post to you, your inability to read and process the lines of this conversation Number23 Dec 2014 #141

Nice. Almost an entire post where you talk about me, hughee99 Dec 2014 #143

The profit is the result of cultural appropriation kwassa Dec 2014 #252

This is a specific case of a specific work that you are citing. hughee99 Dec 2014 #257

The style is part of the artistic work, and the style is what is being appropriated. kwassa Dec 2014 #263

So style is part of one's artistic work and is "intellectual property", hughee99 Dec 2014 #266

Cultural appreciation vs. cultural appropriation kwassa Dec 2014 #268

Okay, so this is not really what we were discussing before, where style is part of an artist's hughee99 Dec 2014 #274

It is sometimes hard to determine that line between the two. kwassa Dec 2014 #275

I don't disagree with anything you just said, but that brings me back hughee99 Dec 2014 #276

In as sense that is true, but in general ... kwassa Dec 2014 #277

Happens all the time in music. Look at what Geto Boys did with Scarface. joeglow3 Dec 2014 #261

I have no idea what you are referring to. "Scarface" the movie? kwassa Dec 2014 #264

They are a rap group with a member named scarface. joeglow3 Dec 2014 #294

Ghetto boys!!!! bravenak Dec 2014 #315

I still pop Uncut Dope into the CD player occasionally. joeglow3 Dec 2014 #319

LOL! I was listening to the Ten Crack Commandments earlier. On a CD. bravenak Dec 2014 #324

Did Michael Jackson appropriate White culture upaloopa Dec 2014 #378

Cultural appropriation has a definition. It has been posted repeatedly. Read it and understand. kwassa Dec 2014 #387

Sorry I am not buying it. I don't care what your upaloopa Dec 2014 #390

It isn't up to you whether it exists or not. Me, either. kwassa Dec 2014 #391

You can find a million words on line to support anything upaloopa Dec 2014 #392

No. You can't. kwassa Dec 2014 #393

Bull shit argument. upaloopa Dec 2014 #394

Alright. Let us see if you can actually construct an argument. kwassa Dec 2014 #396

I don't have to prove anything. upaloopa Dec 2014 #397

I win. You don't have anything. I knew it. kwassa Dec 2014 #398

No Michael Jackson did not. randys1 Dec 2014 #401

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #188

Nails it JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #159

"The modeling contract makes no sense - and shes not that thin." EX500rider Dec 2014 #331

! fishwax Dec 2014 #289

Nice to see you, fishwax. You're one of a handful DUers that has really tried to not make this place Number23 Dec 2014 #291

Most white people suffer from this shit, too XemaSab Dec 2014 #357

What do you think? Stellar Dec 2014 #46

No... Micheal Jacksons publicists/handlers (if not MJ himself) VScott Dec 2014 #54

That's still being questioned as far as I know. Stellar Dec 2014 #71

I wouldn't mind Iggy A. if she were a better rapper. nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #48

I don't know the backstory to this JonLP24 Dec 2014 #49

Will post later. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #50

looking forward to your input wyldwolf Dec 2014 #93

I am loathe to comment in these kind of threads ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #338

That one post was all that was needed on this OP. Thanks for saying it: she uses it to.... marble falls Dec 2014 #380

Meh. Disco sucked... rap blows... hip-hop is the bottom of the barrel . VScott Dec 2014 #52

Don't like him. bravenak Dec 2014 #55

Was there ever time when he didn't look ill? VScott Dec 2014 #56

I'm not quite sure if he once looked healthy... bravenak Dec 2014 #58

IGGY! NBachers Dec 2014 #60

I love Disco.... Stellar Dec 2014 #73

You've never heard "Lust for Life" or "Candy"? WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #386

Sorry... Stellar Dec 2014 #406

This right here. +1 nt Tree-Hugger Dec 2014 #108

I. Feel. It. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #385

I don't have a problem with white people doing hip hop Kalidurga Dec 2014 #59

Little Richard and Pat Boone Blue_In_AK Dec 2014 #63

As long as you have flow, who cares? nt Codeine Dec 2014 #70

It's a genre of music... Earth_First Dec 2014 #75

couple of cans d_b Dec 2014 #81

Just a few observations. wyldwolf Dec 2014 #83

there is sort of an implicit racism in implying southern black women sound a particular way. KittyWampus Dec 2014 #91

I agree it is very interesting treestar Dec 2014 #119

They call Aerosmith "the grandfathers of rap" because of "Walk This Way".. Ghost in the Machine Dec 2014 #144

Wah Wah Wah, Someone else wants to express themselves in the same medium as me. Taitertots Dec 2014 #84

Yes. mmonk Dec 2014 #85

Ridiculous. 99Forever Dec 2014 #86

I guess Macklemore is an evil monster, too? Odin2005 Dec 2014 #87

Iggy pisses me off a little, and *I'm* white myself. dawg Dec 2014 #95

Elvis Presley. Iggo Dec 2014 #97

I'm guessing you haven't heard Iggy Azalea. dawg Dec 2014 #98

Oops. That was meant as a reply to the OP. Iggo Dec 2014 #99

Elvis Presley. Iggo Dec 2014 #100

Led Zeppelin... bobclark86 Dec 2014 #105

Here's a 12 second clip ... dawg Dec 2014 #102

it certainly acceptable for them to spend lots of money on it lame54 Dec 2014 #106

1st this thread is useless without a Iggy vid... EX500rider Dec 2014 #110

Wonder why she doesn't just do that in her own accent. treestar Dec 2014 #113

My guess is.. EX500rider Dec 2014 #115

Yeah, I wonder how they would feel about that if it's so treestar Dec 2014 #118

If she were to hang out with me JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #160

However you and your sister might not have fit in with some black strippers in Miami either. EX500rider Dec 2014 #308

Definitely not JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #320

That's could also be considered a Southern accent ErikJ Dec 2014 #132

She isn't southern. gollygee Dec 2014 #174

"She's putting on a style of speech that is not authentic to her" EX500rider Dec 2014 #223

Yes, of course she thought it would make her more popular gollygee Dec 2014 #226

So if that's the look or accent she like to use, she can't? EX500rider Dec 2014 #228

She obviousy is capable of it gollygee Dec 2014 #234

So what's your point? LincolnsLeftHand Dec 2014 #258

It is irresponsible and disrespectful. gollygee Dec 2014 #270

"Wonder why she doesn't just do that in her own accent." EX500rider Dec 2014 #307

She's wrong. bravenak Dec 2014 #317

Actually her current popularity proves her right. EX500rider Dec 2014 #321

I still think she would do even better acting real. bravenak Dec 2014 #323

I'd think it would get her attention treestar Dec 2014 #328

Another video Everything Sucks Dec 2014 #288

Other than the fact that I hate rap... NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #126

+1 It's just repackaged Disco. SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #190

Anyone who believes in racial appropriation is a segregationist and instant racist. chrisa Dec 2014 #127

Why would anyone want to "steal" it? VScott Dec 2014 #154

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #189

Oh...you're back. cyberswede Dec 2014 #197

did you check out the edit? uppityperson Dec 2014 #198

I missed the edit. *grump* cyberswede Dec 2014 #203

he edited to add the message body vs just title, to make sure it was hideable uppityperson Dec 2014 #204

Oh...then I did see the edit... cyberswede Dec 2014 #208

how do you make it? as kids we liked cold rice with milk, sugar, cinnamon for breakfast, it got uppityperson Dec 2014 #209

We ate that for breakfast! My mom added raisins & served it hot. cyberswede Dec 2014 #212

So you're a Dan Snyder fan, who thinks redface on football fans is just 'honoring' Native Americans? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #254

You shouldn't use words you cannot define. Gravitycollapse Dec 2014 #280

lol chrisa Dec 2014 #281

If you don't know what it means to be a segregationist or racist... Gravitycollapse Dec 2014 #282

I like Iggy POP ErikJ Dec 2014 #129

Heard this song in the car a while back. johnp3907 Dec 2014 #346

the Beastie Boys 'Paul's Boutique' is widely regarded as one of the greatest hip-hop albums.. frylock Dec 2014 #130

I kind of like Iggy Azalea's response in the article. NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #133

Because of course hip-hop has never, ever had anything at all to do with race or politics. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2014 #138

Was a pretty good slap down i thought also... EX500rider Dec 2014 #224

I wish somebody would steal hip hop and hide it away forever workinclasszero Dec 2014 #134

Then do it better than her madville Dec 2014 #145

I don't see Banks or anyone else saying white ppl shouldn't be hip hop artists fishwax Dec 2014 #147

Acceptable? You mean like the Beastie Boys? flvegan Dec 2014 #148

Iggy's music Jamaal510 Dec 2014 #153

"I also think it's strange how similar her name and Azealia Banks' name are." EX500rider Dec 2014 #225

Personally I think they both sound like crap. dilby Dec 2014 #155

It's acceptable if they're talented Capt. Obvious Dec 2014 #158

Who determines talent? joeglow3 Dec 2014 #193

Yes, I'm outnumbered by preteens Capt. Obvious Dec 2014 #194

I am right there with you joeglow3 Dec 2014 #195

If you have this playing every day in the car Capt. Obvious Dec 2014 #201

And my parents said that about Pearl jam, Nirvana, sound garden and Alice in chains joeglow3 Dec 2014 #206

I am old Capt. Obvious Dec 2014 #211

I must be older joeglow3 Dec 2014 #217

This 'old' parent was saying that about Hanson, S club 7 and the Spice Girls... Violet_Crumble Dec 2014 #298

I had it playing everyday in the car BumRushDaShow Dec 2014 #213

Actually tying a record set by the Beatles is pretty impressive.. EX500rider Dec 2014 #227

That's a good question. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #256

Those programs u list are small niche programs joeglow3 Dec 2014 #260

That works too. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #262

There have also always been distinctions between young and "old" parents. joeglow3 Dec 2014 #295

OP - see this post re lies America tells itself about black women JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #161

Haters gonna hate. _Blue_ Dec 2014 #169

White people? yes. Bradical79 Dec 2014 #172

Why not? CrispyQ Dec 2014 #178

Wow! A person who has spent MelungeonWoman Dec 2014 #179

I have spent *all* of my life in the deep south. dawg Dec 2014 #339

This is how she sounds when she speaks gollygee Dec 2014 #342

Right?!?nt bravenak Dec 2014 #352

Yes bigwillq Dec 2014 #183

"Artist" lol phil89 Dec 2014 #196

If the quote is accurate (never a given), then Banks does not understand music. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #200

There is only one question that has to be asked: "Is s/he any good?" Warpy Dec 2014 #232

Eric Clapton. Iggo Dec 2014 #237

Clapton's got bigger problems... sweetloukillbot Dec 2014 #273

Source? truebrit71 Dec 2014 #344

Here he is complaining about loss of English identity.... sweetloukillbot Dec 2014 #345

And here's a story with the quote and citations sweetloukillbot Dec 2014 #347

"I was too drunk to censor myself" XemaSab Dec 2014 #358

What about this? U4ikLefty Dec 2014 #272

Iggy's been quite gross, but rap/hip-hop aren't giving their beats back to the Art of Noise anytime MisterP Dec 2014 #278

Racists just can't help themselves AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #284

Chris Lilley explains the problem fully in ' Angry Boy's ' orpupilofnature57 Dec 2014 #302

"White hip hop artist under fire" NCTraveler Dec 2014 #303

Iggy has been getting flack for a while. bravenak Dec 2014 #313

Is it acceptable for white people to play jazz? Or for black people to play classical? hatrack Dec 2014 #325

That's not really the issue. Everything Sucks Dec 2014 #337

anyones free to 'make music & try to sell it' Iggy is not a decent musician anyway. Sunlei Dec 2014 #330

While I normally wouldn't wade into this mess Veruca Salt Dec 2014 #341

The world doesn't revolve around America.nt redgreenandblue Dec 2014 #377

Yup, exactly. Veruca Salt Dec 2014 #411

First time I heard her i thought she was taking the piss.. truebrit71 Dec 2014 #343

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Tick tock... nt cyberswede Dec 2014 #362

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Hee! Dazzling repartee! cyberswede Dec 2014 #364

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...yet cravenly self-delete. cyberswede Dec 2014 #368

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Why on earth would I do that? cyberswede Dec 2014 #374

This article was correct in comparing Iggy Azalea to a minstrel show. octoberlib Dec 2014 #360

Talent? VScott Dec 2014 #407

Is this like mstinamotorcity2 Dec 2014 #395

AB looks to be one fucked up person joeglow3 Dec 2014 #413

People will vote with their dollars. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #428

I dont think her success has anything to do with racism or mimicry. DCBob Jan 2015 #433

People had a lot of fun going to minstrel shows too. n/t gollygee Jan 2015 #435

For clearly different reasons.. DCBob Jan 2015 #436

I don't know gollygee Jan 2015 #437

I suspect very few fans of Iggy ever think of the racial aspect you are claiming here. DCBob Jan 2015 #438

She gets more attention because she's white gollygee Jan 2015 #439

Racial not racist. DCBob Jan 2015 #440

Maybe but not in this case. gollygee Jan 2015 #441

I think she is simply copying a music style that is very popular and profitable. DCBob Jan 2015 #442

A complaint by ONE performer constitutes "under fire"? brooklynite Jan 2015 #443