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Spider Jerusalem

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1. It always has been, since the beginning

Thu Dec 25, 2014, 09:12 PM

Dec 2014

go and read about Calvinism sometime. If you're poor it's because you're lazy and idle and sinful and wicked; if you're wealthy it's a sign of god's grace and favour and a reward for your piety and industry.

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Christmas questions: How did it EVER become acceptable in this country... [View all] Ken Burch Dec 2014 OP

It always has been, since the beginning Spider Jerusalem Dec 2014 #1

I call that tangible justification. If there is a better name for it please let me know. Sweeney Dec 2014 #18

"Predestination of the elect" (those not among the elect were "reprobates"). Spider Jerusalem Dec 2014 #21

agreed. he as born, lived in, helped, died for the poor. roguevalley Dec 2014 #41

Puritan work ethic Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #2

Nail meets hammer swilton Dec 2014 #10

Good book, read it. Got it. Sweeney Dec 2014 #19

In modern times: Jimmy Bakker, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and their idol Ronald Reagan. jwirr Dec 2014 #3

Reagan(in a speech in liberal Olympia, Washington, of all places) Ken Burch Dec 2014 #4

Thank you. His speech on the value of greed and hate. Imagine what we would be if that man had jwirr Dec 2014 #6

"I am not my brother's keeper" was first said by history's first murderer, Cain, to cover up the world wide wally Dec 2014 #9

Of course but that did not make it wrong. His murdering ways did. What he said was fact - he did jwirr Dec 2014 #38

I've always considered Mormonism another step down that same road: truebluegreen Dec 2014 #11

I would guess that somewhere in the Morman roots there was a deep connection to Calvinism. I jwirr Dec 2014 #39

Even regular people who are alright financially show indifference or outright contempt appalachiablue Dec 2014 #16

it's almost as if to say sweetapogee Dec 2014 #24

What they believe, Jesus never said. Sweeney Dec 2014 #22

One quibble, I don't think the wealthy do that so much as the treestar Dec 2014 #5

Public Charity is a reflection of private caring. Sweeney Dec 2014 #23

Great wealth is a direct result of immense immorality. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #30

No doubt Sweeney Dec 2014 #35

Christ was not raised in poverty. former9thward Dec 2014 #7

He did, however, have something to say about the poor and marginalized. delrem Dec 2014 #12

By the time of John's Gospel Sweeney Dec 2014 #15

Well, y'know, I don't really give a shit. delrem Dec 2014 #20

Bible history is more fascinating than the Bible itself. Sweeney Dec 2014 #26

i just googled that book, which I'd never heard of, and am now planning or reading it. yodermon Dec 2014 #37

One of the few books I ever made time to read twice. Sweeney Dec 2014 #47

This song seems fitting Ken Burch Dec 2014 #27

There was a class of people descended from Phineas Sweeney Dec 2014 #25

They stayed in a stable because they couldn't afford an inn. and jews were under the NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #33

The inns were full, no place left but the stables, iirc. Lars39 Dec 2014 #36

There was a census going on which was why Joseph was in Bethlehem. former9thward Dec 2014 #40

There were also all those expensive gifts from the wise men. nt. Mariana Dec 2014 #43

Which really kinda says something about how we treat a lot of tradesmen these days Posteritatis Dec 2014 #44

In those days skilled manual labor was something people aspired to. former9thward Dec 2014 #45

'wealth is acquired in direct proportion to virtue and rectitude' elleng Dec 2014 #8

Actually, tangible justification, Sweeney Dec 2014 #17

Wealthy people focus on the "king of kings" crap.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #13

+1 Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #31

Honestum is moral good Sweeney Dec 2014 #14

In other words you can't make many Americans reason, because it's their religious or cultural belief AZ Progressive Dec 2014 #28

Like Erasmus told Luther: Sweeney Dec 2014 #49

The biggest "secret" about Christmas is that we are all miracles. Life is miraculous. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #29

Shirley you want to be my friend. Sweeney Dec 2014 #50

Surely. :-) Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #51

Like I told my grandaughter Sweeney Dec 2014 #53

Since about 1517. WinkyDink Dec 2014 #32

Pete Townshend said it this way: Manifestor_of_Light Dec 2014 #34

How did it become acceptable? JEB Dec 2014 #42

Swift's "A Modest Proposal" did not invent the meme. Orsino Dec 2014 #46

The funny thing about Swift's satire is that so many educated people took it seriously. Sweeney Dec 2014 #48

Aren't you sort of surrendering to the very viewpoint you would fight? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #52