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DonCoquixote

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Fri Dec 26, 2014, 02:26 AM Dec 2014

If 2016 is Clinton vs Bush [View all]

Granted, there a a thousand things that can happen, especially in an age where Billionaires can spend all the gold they want, and blow an Iron wind into anyone's sails. However, let's take a look at both of these two. For all the talk of how they are of opposite sides, they come from the same cloth; the center-right that feels obligated to protect the rich. Both of them have a strong contempt for their bases, because the radicals and reactionaries know that the Politics they care about is really just a secondary by-product of supporting the rich. Neither of them like to criticize the rich; but it is not fear as much as the fact they really do not disgree with the rich. Outsourcing? Both Jeb and Hillary support it. Unions, neither of them like unions. Social spending, both speak as if social spending is somethign you do once you cut largesse from programs, though never, ever the milatary. Both of them refuse to criticize Israel, despite the fact that just because you think Bibi is self-destructive does not mean you cannot call the PLO out on it's folly. Both of them are products of an elite system that says "the buisness of America is buisness" and everything else is secondary. Both are intelligent, and think they are self-made, self-starters, despite the fact that neither of them would have had half the influence they have if their last name were Smith.

There is no real opposition here. Granted, if Hillary wins I will vote for her, if only because Sotomayor and Kagan proved how important it is to heal the Supreme Court. Granted, I would rather have Scalia in a jail cell, but that is not happening soon, and it will not happen under Bush. However, the fact that we are bringing in relics of a world that is not, people tryign to revive solutions and methods that frankly, did not work that great the first time, is a sad commentary on our nations, and democracy itself. It is especially sad that the one thing standing between either of these two and the White House, is not a change in values or methods, but that some billionaire may choose to push button a or b because they themselves suffer from Bush/Clinton faitgue as much as many of us do.

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If 2016 is Clinton vs Bush [View all] DonCoquixote Dec 2014 OP
Is Jeb intelligent? TexasTowelie Dec 2014 #1
If another Bush ends up nominated, I think that it's proof of pathological sickness... MrScorpio Dec 2014 #2
Because corporations are inherently amoral, and being that silvershadow Dec 2014 #6
The same could be said regarding electing another Clinton. Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #26
Indeed. hifiguy Dec 2014 #32
Yeah, because... bobclark86 Dec 2014 #3
show me where Hillary had said she would do these things DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #7
easy VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #19
So... you DID entirely miss the 90s and 2000s then... bobclark86 Dec 2014 #27
speeches DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #36
So... you see dozens of positions she has different than Jeb Bush... bobclark86 Dec 2014 #40
Funnt how I even said i would vote for her if she was the last choice DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #41
What other candidates have answered or given positions on everything? Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #42
not on everythign DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #45
If that happens I predict that DU will be dead in the water. delrem Dec 2014 #4
.... DeSwiss Dec 2014 #5
Have you looked at Hillary and Jeb on the issues? Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #8
Pro TPP and GMO is left liberal? PADemD Dec 2014 #17
Shhhhhh - just look at the blue linkies.......you are getting sleepy......just pledge...... n/t djean111 Dec 2014 #28
Their stands are not based on a couple of issues. As far as the GMO are concerned if the bills are Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #37
"really left liberal" marmar Dec 2014 #46
it will be quite a spectacle IMHO. n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #9
Well . . . maybe from the distance of a thousand years and a galaxy far far away ucrdem Dec 2014 #10
If 2016 is Clinton vs Bush America LOSES no matter which one wins. ChosenUnWisely Dec 2014 #11
thats total bunk VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #13
OK We are all entitled to our own opinion and choice in the voting booth ChosenUnWisely Dec 2014 #16
and thank god cooler heads will prevail then VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #18
Whoever you think the "cooler heads" are, here at DU, will have zero impact djean111 Dec 2014 #29
America cannot afford anymore politicians, period. AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #44
As soon as Jeb announced he was exploring, pundits began predicting very low turnout if it's merrily Dec 2014 #12
did everyone turn out to vote for Obama? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #14
could be a five-party race. rogerashton Dec 2014 #15
Young people are libertarian, really??? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #21
Your confidence is inspiring, if not rogerashton Dec 2014 #22
"Want to get your undies untwisted?" DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #25
I prefer not to contemplate LWolf Dec 2014 #20
Clinton vs Bush = centrist left vs centrist right. The most boring election season evah. L0oniX Dec 2014 #23
Yeah, it used to be called the Democratic Party. Seems like that, anyway. n/t djean111 Dec 2014 #30
More like Corporatist Red vs. Corporatist Blue. hedda_foil Dec 2014 #38
I will be voting for someone else bigwillq Dec 2014 #24
I don't share your optimism about the type of SCOTUS justices Clinton might appoint tularetom Dec 2014 #31
I agree. I don't understand why anyone thinks Hillary will appoint anything but a djean111 Dec 2014 #33
true, but DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #35
Decision 2016: "One winner, 320 million losers". hughee99 Dec 2014 #34
if that happens I'll be voting third party. 99Forever Dec 2014 #39
...get me sick bucket. roamer65 Dec 2014 #43
Then Marx will be right about history repeating itself 2nd time as farce. nt daredtowork Dec 2014 #47
I've almost resigned myself that it will be Hillary Clinton vs. Jeb Bush davidpdx Dec 2014 #48
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