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44. Which really kinda says something about how we treat a lot of tradesmen these days

Fri Dec 26, 2014, 01:14 PM

Dec 2014

I spent some time working (on the office side of things) for a construction/restoration company; while most of the people on the hammerswingy side of things were earning okay wages/benefits (for my neck of the woods' COL, relative to other companies in the field here, and so on), I always felt they were getting less than their training/skills/working conditions warranted. Tried going to bat for them a couple of times but it never got anywhere.

You're absolutely right in that nothing suggests they were in poverty - carpentry, especially fine/finish carpentry like the language suggests Joseph was into - was at least a decent uppermiddleclass-ish life. What's telling is that we've gotten together some sort of worldview in which that kind of life was clearly just menial labour indicative or deserving of poverty, regardless of whether there actually was any in the family's life back then. That's just not okay, especially since the attitude tends to encourage the actual fact.

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