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79. And that relates to whether the Bible says Joseph was poor when Jesus was born how?

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 02:04 AM

Dec 2014

FYI, I am not having any argument about religion or what God said, if anything, let alone what he meant when he said it. I have very carefully kept my statements to what the Bible actually says and, to a much lesser extent, what things were like several thousand years ago.

And I don't know how many times I should have to post that the Bible says some nasty things and some inconsistent things before someone catches on that I am arguing religious beliefs.

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Whoa... X-Posted From DU Religion Group... 'Jesus Wasn�t Born Rich. Think About It.' - DailyBeast [View all] WillyT Dec 2014 OP

It is also inaccurate. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #1

Being a distant descendant of a king in Biblical times was no guaranty of wealth. merrily Dec 2014 #3

I didn't say they were wealthy. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #4

I didn't say you said that. merrily Dec 2014 #5

I don't think we are disagreeing. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #6

I never said we were disagreeing either. merrily Dec 2014 #7

Yeah, except that given the habits of male royals through the millennia Warpy Dec 2014 #42

You were the one who brought up the alleged significance of his descent from King David, first as merrily Dec 2014 #46

Uh, you're barking up the wrong poster, Slick Warpy Dec 2014 #56

Obviously, I assumed that Warren was continuing our conversation and did not even merrily Dec 2014 #68

Actually he's not of David's line and not the Messiah given the virgin birth.... Moonwalk Dec 2014 #69

Yep. And Jews trace lineage through the Mom, not the father (or putative father). merrily Dec 2014 #81

Can you cite a Biblical verse that says Joseph and Mary were penniless? merrily Dec 2014 #2

Manger... Such A Nice Word For A Barn... And A Word Most Of Us Would Not Have Heard Of... WillyT Dec 2014 #12

A manger is not a barn. merrily Dec 2014 #13

A Distinction... Without A Differencet ??? - Please...Do Explain... WillyT Dec 2014 #15

A barn houses animals. A manger is where the food for animals is placed. We might say "trough." merrily Dec 2014 #18

How Far Is It From The Barn ??? WillyT Dec 2014 #21

You said manger is such a nice word for a barn. It's not. (BTW, you're welcome for the right info.) merrily Dec 2014 #25

Is A Manger... Part Of The Barn... Or A Seperate Stucture ??? WillyT Dec 2014 #27

You've simply repeated yourself without answering my question. merrily Dec 2014 #29

Manger: WillyT Dec 2014 #30

Yes, you've now proved that, as I said, "manger" is not a nice word for a barn. merrily Dec 2014 #75

There are many "socialist" statements in the Bible daredtowork Dec 2014 #8

But if you have slaves you can still keep them, right? brooklynite Dec 2014 #10

Slaves were released every Jubilee year in the OT daredtowork Dec 2014 #11

Not always, and definitely not the gentile slaves brooklynite Dec 2014 #14

Not sure why you are obsessing over the Old Testament daredtowork Dec 2014 #24

Not sure, either, especially since Jesus birth is the subject of the OP, not the OT. merrily Dec 2014 #59

Obsessing? brooklynite Dec 2014 #60

Please see Reply 31. merrily Dec 2014 #83

Context matters, both the written word and the context of a few thousand years B.C. merrily Dec 2014 #31

Ah yes, context... brooklynite Dec 2014 #57

All agree the Bible contains some nasty stuff and some inconsistent stuff. My prior post also merrily Dec 2014 #58

My point is the reference to "socialist statements" brooklynite Dec 2014 #61

"Be nice to the poor: doesn't equate to "give everything you own away," either. merrily Dec 2014 #62

If we're talking context then remember that god has innocent Canaanites murdered, their land stolen... Moonwalk Dec 2014 #74

And that relates to whether the Bible says Joseph was poor when Jesus was born how? merrily Dec 2014 #79

There's a lot of condemnation of greed, self-centeredness and heartlessness in the Bible. merrily Dec 2014 #16

But if you call it socialism, then you get to call some self-righteous bigots daredtowork Dec 2014 #26

The same Jesus who said great things about helping the poor also said some stuff merrily Dec 2014 #28

He did...but take what Jesus "said" with a grain of salt. daredtowork Dec 2014 #32

Now you moved the goalpost to an entirely different discussion. merrily Dec 2014 #35

What was the goal? I was celebrating the "socialist" aspects of the Bible daredtowork Dec 2014 #37

Indeed, what was the goal? merrily Dec 2014 #40

haha, okay I apologize, I misunderstood daredtowork Dec 2014 #41

Yes, I've had that discussion before. However, if you are posting on a thread talking about merrily Dec 2014 #44

Very good point daredtowork Dec 2014 #47

Joseph? Yes. (The OP is talking about the alleged finances of the family when Jesus was born.) merrily Dec 2014 #48

Jesus had skills, too, I thought. daredtowork Dec 2014 #50

Jesus was also a carpenter. (I don't know that the Bible talks of apprenticeship as such. I assume merrily Dec 2014 #52

That's What You Got ??? - You May Have Read The OP... But... WillyT Dec 2014 #64

I've read the Bible cover to cover several times. (Have you?) As to matters about Joseph and Mary, merrily Dec 2014 #65

Yeah... I Have... The Bible As Literature... A Couple Of Times... WillyT Dec 2014 #70

Do you think changing the subject will make you any "righter" about whether Joseph merrily Dec 2014 #71

Because... As The Bishop Says... The King Of Kings Was Born In A Barn... WillyT Dec 2014 #72

PS My replying to a specific post to me does not mean my reply equals all I got from the OP. merrily Dec 2014 #67

AS I recall, Jesus got a tidy chest of gold a few days later... brooklynite Dec 2014 #9

What ??? - Joseph And Mary Were Broke... But Once Jesus Was Born It Was All Null And Void ??? WillyT Dec 2014 #19

Unless you can cite a biblical verse to show that Joseph and Mary were broke, you merrily Dec 2014 #33

You Tell Me... WillyT Dec 2014 #39

No, I asked you first. As for Robinson, I can't help what he says. Does he claim infalliblility? merrily Dec 2014 #43

Well merrily... You Bring Up Provacative Points... But I'm Gonna Go With The Bishop On This One... WillyT Dec 2014 #51

Going with the Bishop on Joseph, as opposed to going with the Bible? Okay. It's a free country. merrily Dec 2014 #53

It Was Pretty Much Implied... WillyT Dec 2014 #55

No, it was not pretty much implied. If anything was implied, it merrily Dec 2014 #63

In fairness, the OP says "born" poor. merrily Dec 2014 #20

So Tell Us... Was Jesus And His Parents Middle Class... The 1% ??? WillyT Dec 2014 #73

I have said what I mean several times. Why do you keep merrily Dec 2014 #76

Ok... WillyT Dec 2014 #82

That is not the Bible, but someone interpreting it for you. merrily Dec 2014 #84

So The Bible Is The End All, Be All, Of This Discussion ??? WillyT Dec 2014 #85

While I don't know if you can say Mary & Joseph were poor... TDale313 Dec 2014 #17

Agree. "Blessed are the poor..." But the moneychangers story has a whole other level to it. merrily Dec 2014 #23

Anyone can say anything. Can anyone back up the statement that Joseph was poor is the issue. merrily Dec 2014 #45

And my point was simply... TDale313 Dec 2014 #54

I got your point and have said about the same all over this thread. merrily Dec 2014 #66

Jesus got it but the rw do not - they just think well if it was good enough for our Lord then it is jwirr Dec 2014 #22

Well, they conveniently put the emphasis on voluntarily helping vs. having the government make you merrily Dec 2014 #49

What's interesting to me is that, for someone born to... JaneyVee Dec 2014 #34

I don't know. A newborn is not the same as a fetus. merrily Dec 2014 #38

What was the theme of his bar mitzvah and what gifts did he get? Moonwalk Dec 2014 #77

What is your actual question, if any? merrily Dec 2014 #78

Fantasyland blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #36

I always love reading The Right Reverend Robinson's work. n/t. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #80

Locking, sorry, but threads discussing religion are prohibited in GD. Rhiannon12866 Dec 2014 #86