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In reply to the discussion: Obama hopes to enlist GOP in push for trade pact, despite Democratic resistance [View all]Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)79. What we've learned (no scare quotes) is OBAMA's discreditable negotiating position
You write:
What we have "learned" from the leaks is the negotiating positions of the various parties, not what any deal looks like as no deal has been struck.
You're right that we haven't learned the final deal. If Obama has his way (getting fast-track authority), we'll learn that only at the end of the process, and when the package will be handed to Congress under a tight and mandatory timetable. That by itself is highly objectionable. If you're unwilling to criticize the agreement because you haven't seen it, will you join in what I see as the logical corollary, namely opposition to fast track?
As to the frequent refrain of downplaying the leaks as mere proposals:
1) Some of the leaks have been of current working drafts, and so, while not necessarily the final deal, reflect the product of more than two years of negotiation, and probably give a good indication of the broad outlines of what will emerge.
2) We as Americans can certainly criticize Obama when our country's very proposals would, if adopted, be harmful.
For that second point, here's a report on one leak from 2012:
The newly leaked document is one of the most controversial of the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade pact. It addresses a broad sweep of regulations governing international investment and reveals the Obama administration's advocacy for policies that environmental activists, financial reform advocates and labor unions have long rejected for eroding key protections currently in domestic laws.
Under the agreement currently being advocated by the Obama administration, American corporations would continue to be subject to domestic laws and regulations on the environment, banking and other issues. But foreign corporations operating within the U.S. would be permitted to appeal key American legal or regulatory rulings to an international tribunal. That international tribunal would be granted the power to overrule American law and impose trade sanctions on the United States for failing to abide by its rulings.
The terms run contrary to campaign promises issued by Obama and the Democratic Party during the 2008 campaign.
"We will not negotiate bilateral trade agreements that stop the government from protecting the environment, food safety, or the health of its citizens; give greater rights to foreign investors than to U.S. investors; require the privatization of our vital public services; or prevent developing country governments from adopting humanitarian licensing policies to improve access to life-saving medications," reads the campaign document.
Under the agreement currently being advocated by the Obama administration, American corporations would continue to be subject to domestic laws and regulations on the environment, banking and other issues. But foreign corporations operating within the U.S. would be permitted to appeal key American legal or regulatory rulings to an international tribunal. That international tribunal would be granted the power to overrule American law and impose trade sanctions on the United States for failing to abide by its rulings.
The terms run contrary to campaign promises issued by Obama and the Democratic Party during the 2008 campaign.
"We will not negotiate bilateral trade agreements that stop the government from protecting the environment, food safety, or the health of its citizens; give greater rights to foreign investors than to U.S. investors; require the privatization of our vital public services; or prevent developing country governments from adopting humanitarian licensing policies to improve access to life-saving medications," reads the campaign document.
Source: "Obama Trade Document Leaked, Revealing New Corporate Powers And Broken Campaign Promises"
What that HuffPo article characterizes as "campaign promises issued by Obama and the Democratic Party" is actually the 2008 Democratic Party platform. No individual candidate can be assumed to agree with every word of his or her party's platform. To that extent, HuffPo is overstating. Nevertheless, if Obama, at the head of the ticket, disagreed with that statement, he could certainly have had it removed, or he could have expressed his disagreement during the campaign.
Substance aside, candidate Obama did campaign on a call for a more transparent and inclusive process in negotiating trade agreements. His handling of the TPP reflects, instead, the same corporate-friendly way that Bush dealt with trade issues. (Or maybe not. In the linked article, a representative of Doctors Without Borders Access to Medicines Campaign says that Bush was better than Obama.)
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Obama hopes to enlist GOP in push for trade pact, despite Democratic resistance [View all]
n2doc
Dec 2014
OP
If you have a min wage and a Chinese company can go to their in house negotiator court and win damages
Vincardog
Dec 2014
#86
How do you know what is in it? Even Congress cannot see this 'global deal' which is an outrage. The
sabrina 1
Dec 2014
#36
What we've learned (no scare quotes) is OBAMA's discreditable negotiating position
Jim Lane
Dec 2014
#79
You emphasize public review but you're OK with fast track, which drastically curtails that review.
Jim Lane
Dec 2014
#94
Considering that they don't seem to be doing much else, you're probably right.
Buns_of_Fire
Dec 2014
#100
Union membership holds a vote to accept or decline a contrat. Without that vote there is no contract
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2014
#95
If as you state "The time to debate/comment on the agreement is the time between when the trade
Vincardog
Dec 2014
#102
There hasn't been a modern trade deal that has benefitted American workers ...
1StrongBlackMan
Dec 2014
#67
I'm wishing him a major fail on the TPP. This is a horrible bit of legislation, IMHO. n/t
CaliforniaPeggy
Dec 2014
#3
Sad, isn't it? So much good will built up, particularly over the past month or so.
arcane1
Dec 2014
#9
I can't wait to come on to DU and read about how this is supposed to be a good thing.
arcane1
Dec 2014
#4
Like how every superb liberal thing he does is instantly forgotten or denigrated?
True Blue Door
Dec 2014
#13
You don't have to wait, I just responded to such a post above. The Third Way is ready for anyone
sabrina 1
Dec 2014
#38
Intellectualism is not defined by giving the same old bullshit credence each time it is uttered.
TheKentuckian
Dec 2014
#108
Obama is an '80s Republican. He's said so himself on more than one occassion.
blkmusclmachine
Dec 2014
#7
Let the teabaggers use whatever terminology they want. The point is that Obama is trying
totodeinhere
Dec 2014
#23
I thought the complaint du jour was that TPP was being negotiated secretively.
True Blue Door
Dec 2014
#25
Yes, of course that is a complaint. Are you suggesting that our elected officials in Congress have
sabrina 1
Dec 2014
#39
I guess you have't been following this over the past few years. Congress would like, in fact they
sabrina 1
Dec 2014
#42
'Hysteria, paranoia'! That says it all. You clearly refuse to accept the FACTS which you are
sabrina 1
Dec 2014
#56
"I said any trade agreement I would support had to contain real, enforceable standards for workers."
pampango
Dec 2014
#29
Looks like Obama and his GOP partners are going to succeed in getting fast track. How nice for them.
pa28
Dec 2014
#19
Then we have to listen to right wingers blaming the Democratic party for the next 30 yrs.
B Calm
Dec 2014
#116
"Democrats keep losing because we don't defend government actions enough!" (or something like that)
MisterP
Dec 2014
#28
This could mean a pay cut for 90% of US workers, of course Democrats don't want it.
RiverLover
Dec 2014
#46
600 corps have seen the TPP in full, along with some unions. Here's what the unions think~
RiverLover
Dec 2014
#50
K&R It is the desire of Wall St supporters and investors, it will happen. nt
raouldukelives
Dec 2014
#54
As long as we get those 2 dollar a day salaries. It will be cause to celebrate more American
Katashi_itto
Dec 2014
#59
Holy Crap%*!@ Just read full article linked...This started out as a George W Bush deal.
RiverLover
Dec 2014
#72
Right, but that isn't what this story is about. Its about his own party being ag it and needing GOP
RiverLover
Dec 2014
#83
"Obama Ran Twice on Anti-NAFTA Free Trade; He was Lying to Us. Big TPP Push"
RiverLover
Dec 2014
#85