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TreasonousBastard

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55. I don't defend it-- I don't have enough information to defend it just as...

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 03:17 AM

Dec 2014

you don't have enough to hate it.

I do say wait and see. This is, so far, simply setting up an economic bloc to counter the looming power of China.

A lot of this stuff about limiting home rule and selling out to multinationals and Wall Street is hyperbole over normal treaty language meant to stop the partners from using local law to sneak around treaty provisions.

But, a lot of it may not be-- we just don't know.

As far as secrecy goes-- serious negotiations are usually secret. Even the cloakroom in DC is where the real work gets done.

Considering the brouhaha over what little is known so far, how would things go if every little subparagraph inserted to leverage another position was common knowledge? Would anything ever get done?

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing...

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TPP Passage Will Guarantee 3rd World Wages In US. American Workers Will Not Be Able To Compete. [View all] TheMastersNemesis Dec 2014 OP

Contact your Senator and tell him to vote no! yortsed snacilbuper Dec 2014 #1

Dems Will Vote For TPP Out Of Fear Of Losing And The Will Lose. TheMastersNemesis Dec 2014 #2

The fear of losing will be their excuse..... daleanime Dec 2014 #20

I got Carnival Cruz and Cornpone-complete waste of time. hobbit709 Dec 2014 #7

Tell me about it Arcadiasix Dec 2014 #10

Can you hit them on the loss of national sovereignty angle? starroute Dec 2014 #15

Worth trying... daleanime Dec 2014 #21

"Obamatrade!" Brigid Dec 2014 #40

It's worth stealing. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2014 #60

Burr and Crazy Thom here..... paleotn Dec 2014 #19

I just contacted both of mine (Gillibrand and Schumer) LiberalElite Dec 2014 #47

Henry Ford was a reactionary old bastard but at least he understood that if you want to sell hobbit709 Dec 2014 #3

Indeed. If they want to cut the wages then they had damned well bring down the cost of living jwirr Dec 2014 #8

You wish, they spent their time looking for new ways.... daleanime Dec 2014 #23

They have financialization, tax relief and bailouts now IDemo Dec 2014 #16

Very good point. jwirr Dec 2014 #29

And the American worker has . . . Brigid Dec 2014 #45

K&R! 2naSalit Dec 2014 #4

Ditto, 2na. Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #5

Hasn't that been the goal for a long time? Then Foreign Corps can operate right here taking sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #6

Why? China and India are not part of it. pampango Dec 2014 #9

Kneejerk reaction around here... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #11

Like smokescreens much? lark Dec 2014 #24

If it's so secret, how do you know so much about it? TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #28

Tell me what good could come from it? lark Dec 2014 #32

There is good that could come of these trade deals. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #56

We are totally irrelevant to their plans, lark Dec 2014 #58

Knee jerk? Excuse me?.... paleotn Dec 2014 #25

Basing these hysterical fears on a "leaked" document... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #30

Then all this administration has to do is..... paleotn Dec 2014 #50

knee-jerk = you dare to criticize anything Obama Skittles Dec 2014 #53

+a million! SammyWinstonJack Dec 2014 #61

I made the mistake of supporting NAFTA. Brigid Dec 2014 #43

I have you give it to you. Those others here that think everything Pres Obama does is golden rhett o rick Dec 2014 #54

I don't defend it-- I don't have enough information to defend it just as... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #55

There have been leaks and they do not look good for the 99%. rhett o rick Dec 2014 #62

There aren't any direct benefits in any trade agreement... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #63

No - instead we will lose TBF Dec 2014 #13

How is this going to cause us to lose jobs to Canada, Australia, pampango Dec 2014 #35

It doesn't have anything to do with free trade. It has everything to do with corporate sovereignty. Initech Dec 2014 #14

Not if the labor and environment standards pampango Dec 2014 #36

And you believe all this. Brigid Dec 2014 #48

I understand the "smart" people know that Obama is evil. pampango Dec 2014 #57

"subject to the same dispute settlement mechanism as other obligations in TPP" NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #59

Maybe if we knew what was in the TPP we would like it. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #17

Why do you post stuff from Tea Party speakers like Brian Westbury? markme88 Dec 2014 #38

K&R NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #12

"Workers of the WORLD Unite!" Is still a damned good idea. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #18

+1000 nt antigop Dec 2014 #26

TPP will ruin BO's legacy, lark Dec 2014 #22

News flash; millions of American workers feel like they already work for 3rd world wages. Rex Dec 2014 #27

Honestly it may be the best thing that can happen - TBF Dec 2014 #51

This just formalizes what the plan of the last 35 years hifiguy Dec 2014 #31

r&k Duppers Dec 2014 #33

We are getting close to that now AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #34

All part of the plan. cloudbase Dec 2014 #37

The Republican Congress won't pass it then treestar Dec 2014 #39

Foreign corps will have right to sue local govts & individuals if we hurt their profits RiverLover Dec 2014 #41

That's just another DU thread treestar Dec 2014 #42

I know. The info is there. I posted info on that and also in the cromnibus: tpp thread. RiverLover Dec 2014 #44

OK treestar Dec 2014 #46

Thank you for the reminder... MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #49

Any young person that asks I tell them madville Dec 2014 #52