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TBF

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92. Moves jobs overseas -

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 10:27 AM

Dec 2014

NAFTA was the precursor.

We have lost over one million jobs and income inequality has grown starker: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lori-wallach/nafta-at-20-one-million-u_b_4550207.html

Now, I really don't have a problem with bringing down borders. But it's got to be a 2-way street or safety nets have to be in place. If you're going to take a million jobs overseas either start a works program to rebuild the damned bridges or something (some kind of mass government program to rebuild infrastructure would be ideal) or set a minimum income that folks will be paid (as Switzerland has accomplished). Give me that and I will give you TPP (except for the provisions that give sovereignty to corporations - that is straight up bullshit).

There's your answer, comrade.

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Obama hopes to enlist GOP in push for trade pact, despite Democratic resistance [View all] n2doc Dec 2014 OP

Well, after all, those are the people he has most in common with. djean111 Dec 2014 #1

Please tell me why? Obama folks here who upaloopa Dec 2014 #2

Obama LIED in 2008. And Obama LIED again in 2012. blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #8

Yep. nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #17

How is it against what he promised? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #12

It hurts working class Americans upaloopa Dec 2014 #32

How does it hurt working class Americans? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #41

Read this thread and google TPP upaloopa Dec 2014 #60

You will never get an answer. treestar Dec 2014 #69

If you have a min wage and a Chinese company can go to their in house negotiator court and win damages Vincardog Dec 2014 #86

Moves jobs overseas - TBF Dec 2014 #92

Why would you oppose a trade deal ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #30

How do you know what is in it? Even Congress cannot see this 'global deal' which is an outrage. The sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #36

Have you asked that question of the ant-TPP folks? 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #47

What we've learned (no scare quotes) is OBAMA's discreditable negotiating position Jim Lane Dec 2014 #79

You mean the end of the process (with F/T) where congress 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #88

You emphasize public review but you're OK with fast track, which drastically curtails that review. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #94

I disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #97

It COULD be a lot less than that, if I read the excerpt correctly. Buns_of_Fire Dec 2014 #98

15 days is more than enough time to review 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #99

Considering that they don't seem to be doing much else, you're probably right. Buns_of_Fire Dec 2014 #100

That's totally unrealistic Jim Lane Dec 2014 #110

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #111

What debate can be had in the 88 seconds per senator time limit allowed? Vincardog Dec 2014 #103

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #105

FAST TRACK Authority does not allow any committees. Quit Blowing smoke. Vincardog Dec 2014 #107

The agreement would go through committee but with restrictions. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #115

Why then should we grant it Fast Track and disallow any debate about it? Vincardog Dec 2014 #87

Are you or have you ever been in a union ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #89

Union membership holds a vote to accept or decline a contrat. Without that vote there is no contract Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #95

And Congress votes to accept or decline the trade agreement ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #96

If as you state "The time to debate/comment on the agreement is the time between when the trade Vincardog Dec 2014 #102

Paid to be obtuse? ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #104

Then answer at least one of the factual objections raised. Vincardog Dec 2014 #106

This is why MFrohike Dec 2014 #62

Please name a modern trade deal that has benefitted American workers BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #64

There hasn't been a modern trade deal that has benefitted American workers ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #67

Alright then, I will no longer waste my time BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #75

??? ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #80

It is a fact labor is cheaper in those countries treestar Dec 2014 #71

Apparently you don't know how trade agreements work and who they benefit BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #77

I think there is just a knee jerk thing against "trade agreements" treestar Dec 2014 #84

I'm wishing him a major fail on the TPP. This is a horrible bit of legislation, IMHO. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2014 #3

Sad, isn't it? So much good will built up, particularly over the past month or so. arcane1 Dec 2014 #9

Same here Populist_Prole Dec 2014 #58

I can't wait to come on to DU and read about how this is supposed to be a good thing. arcane1 Dec 2014 #4

I bet you won't have to wait long. The third way has been summoned! benz380 Dec 2014 #11

Like how every superb liberal thing he does is instantly forgotten or denigrated? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #13

You don't have to wait, I just responded to such a post above. The Third Way is ready for anyone sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #38

You've just admitted you do not want to hear both sides of an argument treestar Dec 2014 #65

How does "can't wait to read" translate into "not want to hear"? arcane1 Dec 2014 #70

Intellectualism is not defined by giving the same old bullshit credence each time it is uttered. TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #108

Same can be said regarding any disagreement treestar Dec 2014 #112

Question about "snide remarks" Jim Lane Dec 2014 #113

I hate this! cilla4progress Dec 2014 #5

Fuck.. WillyT Dec 2014 #6

Obama is an '80s Republican. He's said so himself on more than one occassion. blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #7

Tough One For The Obama Bots To Defend colsohlibgal Dec 2014 #10

"Obama Bots"...isn't that a teabagger term? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #14

Let the teabaggers use whatever terminology they want. The point is that Obama is trying totodeinhere Dec 2014 #23

I thought the complaint du jour was that TPP was being negotiated secretively. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #25

I would like to know also. nt babylonsister Dec 2014 #26

We progressives have multiple complaints, which aren't inconsistent Jim Lane Dec 2014 #34

Okay. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #37

Why progressives continue to complain about the TPP Jim Lane Dec 2014 #44

Yes, of course that is a complaint. Are you suggesting that our elected officials in Congress have sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #39

I would like Congress to play more of a role in negotiations True Blue Door Dec 2014 #40

I guess you have't been following this over the past few years. Congress would like, in fact they sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #42

If they've been denied access, they can refuse to pass the results. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #43

Trade deals are NOT treaties aspirant Dec 2014 #45

'Hysteria, paranoia'! That says it all. You clearly refuse to accept the FACTS which you are sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #56

Negotiated in secret ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #48

Plus they are having it both ways treestar Dec 2014 #73

I know ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #78

No one's ever tried to argue for the treaty. treestar Dec 2014 #68

I'd love to hear the argument for fast track. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #114

Here we go again aspirant Dec 2014 #15

Blast from the Past -- Obama 2008 RiverLover Dec 2014 #16

Exposure aspirant Dec 2014 #18

"I said any trade agreement I would support had to contain real, enforceable standards for workers." pampango Dec 2014 #29

I do not find you creditable because you post things from Tea Party speakers markme88 Dec 2014 #90

Thats the guy I voted for DJ13 Dec 2014 #33

Me, too. Octafish Dec 2014 #55

Looks like Obama and his GOP partners are going to succeed in getting fast track. How nice for them. pa28 Dec 2014 #19

Then we have to listen to right wingers blaming the Democratic party for the next 30 yrs. B Calm Dec 2014 #116

Yay! Bipartisanship we can believe in! neverforget Dec 2014 #20

From the link Boreal Dec 2014 #21

You've got to love the rhetoric about worker protections. pa28 Dec 2014 #22

"all fixed" Boreal Dec 2014 #31

Ive been reading about this extensively Ramses Dec 2014 #24

"Empower corporate entities while stripping the people" PumpkinAle Dec 2014 #27

"Democrats keep losing because we don't defend government actions enough!" (or something like that) MisterP Dec 2014 #28

"Enlist GOP" AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #35

This could mean a pay cut for 90% of US workers, of course Democrats don't want it. RiverLover Dec 2014 #46

Just another example of having to play defense against a Democratic president. Broward Dec 2014 #49

600 corps have seen the TPP in full, along with some unions. Here's what the unions think~ RiverLover Dec 2014 #50

Anyone feeling betrayed yet? 99Forever Dec 2014 #51

I like Obama, but when he backs republicans and their free trade B Calm Dec 2014 #93

Obama stabbing us in the back, again. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #52

Never forget - HILLARY helped write this, HILLARY is shilling this. n/t djean111 Dec 2014 #53

K&R It is the desire of Wall St supporters and investors, it will happen. nt raouldukelives Dec 2014 #54

Contact your Senator and tell him to vote no! yortsed snacilbuper Dec 2014 #57

As long as we get those 2 dollar a day salaries. It will be cause to celebrate more American Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #59

The Audacity of Collaborating with the Republicans. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #61

Answering the question, "Why did the Democrats tank the midterms twice?" BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #63

Well, that might tank it. Cerridwen Dec 2014 #66

Money trumps politics n2doc Dec 2014 #74

Yeah, I know. Wishful thinking. I engage it in sometimes. n/t Cerridwen Dec 2014 #76

Holy Crap%*!@ Just read full article linked...This started out as a George W Bush deal. RiverLover Dec 2014 #72

as I suspected,the BOG is now pimping this atrocity Doctor_J Dec 2014 #81

this is not news. we knew Pres Obama was riversedge Dec 2014 #82

Right, but that isn't what this story is about. Its about his own party being ag it and needing GOP RiverLover Dec 2014 #83

"Obama Ran Twice on Anti-NAFTA Free Trade; He was Lying to Us. Big TPP Push" RiverLover Dec 2014 #85

Just like NAFTA, republicans will pass it then sit on their hemorrhoid asses and point B Calm Dec 2014 #91

The key is to get it done long enough before the election Turbineguy Dec 2014 #101

He'd better use a really long spoon rock Dec 2014 #109