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7. I cannot help but agree after seeing that we are probably going to run Hillary in 2016. After

Reply to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 02:44 PM

Dec 2014

watching Harry Reid fail in such vital fights as the filibuster fight. In watching the 2014 election go to hell. But that does not make me happy.

How many years is it going to take us to build this new party? With Bernie we could probably make it a national party but what about the state parties? How long to get a really progressive senate and house? IF there is a big enough crisis we might actually be able to do it faster which would be good but without it the states who elect Rs are still going to and the states that elect DInos still will and the president will have to deal with it. If we cannot field a winning candidate blue states might also be a lose.

The point I am trying to make is that we do not have years. We have mostly lost already. With the lose in 2014 we took a huge step backwards and nothing is going to get better in the next 2 years. IF we do not succeed in 2016 we might just as well set back and watch the fir fly.

So we need to talk about how to get this new party going NOW. Bernie or Elizabeth and a few others in the party are a good start. Where do we go from here?

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Perhaps you should read the last paragraph of the quote again. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2014 #6

The Post Affirms The Symptoms Articulated In The Article cantbeserious Dec 2014 #20

Forming a progressive third party is suicide. We must take back our party. rhett o rick Dec 2014 #3

I didn't read it as a third-party proposal. Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #4

I totally agree. My post was intended to make it clear that starting a third party rhett o rick Dec 2014 #10

Good to hear. LWolf Dec 2014 #13

I sorta misread your meaning--thanks for clarifying it for me.. Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #34

A movement is not a party. jeff47 Dec 2014 #5

Plez see my post 10 above. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #11

I posted something similar below. That is what the rw did with the Republican Party and it worked jwirr Dec 2014 #8

You make the point. LWolf Dec 2014 #9

Plez read my post 10 above. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #12

Yes, I agree but I don't think the suggestion is to form a Third Party, but to start a MOVEMENT. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #39

My fault for making my point in a more clear manner. Plez see my post #10 above. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #54

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