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I would have believed you in the early 1980s Kalidurga Dec 2014 #1
To me the the inarguable point Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #2
I think it started with the DEA. Kalidurga Dec 2014 #38
Frank Zappa said "We are heading toward a fascist theocracy" Snarkoleptic Dec 2014 #56
Frank Zappa was a most profound philosopher nt. Kalidurga Dec 2014 #67
they set fire to the drapes in dec 2000 reddread Dec 2014 #80
And COINTELPRO. hifiguy Dec 2014 #175
That's why they allowed 911. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #66
precisely! thought it required more than mere "allowance" to get what they wanted. n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #143
Agreed billhicks76 Dec 2014 #174
That's not a police state treestar Dec 2014 #3
Members of the NYPD Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #6
Why should they suffer any consequences for exercising their first amendment rights? brooklynite Dec 2014 #14
As someone who mother was killed by a police detective Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #31
I'm sorry for your loss, but that's not the definition of a Police State brooklynite Dec 2014 #34
No, my objection was your accusation that I used the phrase Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #44
no, it is not... brooklynite Dec 2014 #52
Give It Up billhicks76 Dec 2014 #64
No. Its your problem that you don't know the difference between a real Police State onenote Dec 2014 #111
So Closeminded billhicks76 Dec 2014 #164
Believe me, if you had ever lived in a real police state, you would know that onenote Dec 2014 #169
You're Experiences Are Obviously Limited billhicks76 Dec 2014 #173
If that's what you think my point was, there's no point in continuing the discussion onenote Dec 2014 #179
Ridiculous billhicks76 Dec 2014 #177
So you're saying life for an black South African during Apartheid was better than life onenote Dec 2014 #178
Make What You Want Of It billhicks76 Dec 2014 #220
When were there not at least two Americas? onenote Dec 2014 #222
Excuse me, carla Dec 2014 #134
Define it how you will. brooklynite Dec 2014 #138
you mean it's ... wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #145
Dictionary.com... brooklynite Dec 2014 #149
I didn't know that about the Phillipines JonLP24 Dec 2014 #156
Certainly the experience of quite Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #157
How many Occupy protester were there in total? brooklynite Dec 2014 #166
In a police state, there would be no press coverage of the shooting treestar Dec 2014 #236
I am sure that the fact that the level Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #238
No - (s)he means it's COLGATE4 Dec 2014 #181
Then you are not objective treestar Dec 2014 #96
So, no one who is a victim can be objective? Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #124
No, they are not treestar Dec 2014 #130
Now you are equating being a victim with being a bigot Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #155
Ordinary People Are Fired By Racists billhicks76 Dec 2014 #63
The military dont get fo disparage the commander in chief, on or off duty. ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #87
sounds like you WANT a police state hfojvt Dec 2014 #103
Cops arent everyone, theyre basically a civilian military. ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #104
but they ARE part of society hfojvt Dec 2014 #109
Your logic is fail. Requiring cops to show respect to the people tjat employ them is far from asking ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #120
Does the same apply to all government employees? Teachers for example? hack89 Dec 2014 #191
Because theyre not a paramilitary force famed for human rights abuses. ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #223
Words with no legal meaning hack89 Dec 2014 #225
The military doesnt get it. Why should cops? ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #227
Because the military are a unique class of people in the eyes of the law hack89 Dec 2014 #229
Im not. They already do! ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #230
You just want to tighten that control by destroying a powerful union hack89 Dec 2014 #232
An evil one that supports human rights abuse. ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #233
All union busters can justify their actions. Even left wing union busters. Nt hack89 Dec 2014 #234
All cop lovers can justify their actions. Even left win Cop lovers. ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #235
You are the one that will give the 1% absolute control of the police by destroying the union hack89 Dec 2014 #237
Certainly not the public. ncjustice80 Jan 2015 #240
You just said the police are the tool of the 1% hack89 Jan 2015 #241
You make no sense. We re done here. ncjustice80 Jan 2015 #242
You were done a long time ago. Nt hack89 Jan 2015 #243
Lol wow sweet comeback bro. Feel better? ncjustice80 Jan 2015 #244
So you are not done after all? Nt hack89 Jan 2015 #245
So you are not done after all? ncjustice80 Jan 2015 #246
Granted, getting a straight answer out of you will take a while hack89 Jan 2015 #247
There is no conversation. ncjustice80 Jan 2015 #248
I thought we were talking about you busting a large public employee union hack89 Jan 2015 #249
No we were talking about your support for racist thugs. ncjustice80 Jan 2015 #250
Get back to us when the military is unionized and gets collective bargaining rights. hack89 Dec 2014 #137
I dont think cops should be allowed to unionize either. ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #189
Same for all governement employees, right? hack89 Dec 2014 #190
No. Just cops. ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #224
Break one union you weaken all of them hack89 Dec 2014 #226
Lol Im pro union and anti- racist human rights abuse. ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #228
+1 and that it IS a police state because they can? treestar Dec 2014 #95
In carrying out their first amendment rights they disrespected their Mayor. sheshe2 Dec 2014 #161
In a police state melman Dec 2014 #20
Thats the First Amendment treestar Dec 2014 #94
You sound like you've been comatose for the past 3 weeks 99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #10
Precisely! Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #28
Not really, that one never can say anything bad about authority. Rex Dec 2014 #37
You got that right. BeanMusical Dec 2014 #57
Yup BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #74
In a real police state, you couldn't. treestar Dec 2014 #99
doesn't that... wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #146
+ ellenrr Dec 2014 #85
You don't know the term police state or what it means treestar Dec 2014 #97
ok... wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #147
+ a brazilian. hifiguy Dec 2014 #176
a police state is not one where 'one ruler has all the power'. it could be, but it doesn't have to NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #16
yeah this thread is black helicopters and FEMA camps uhnope Dec 2014 #50
I find that quite insulting Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #158
I find that a strawman since you know I didn't say that uhnope Dec 2014 #162
No I guess it is more like the Pretorian Guards. zeemike Dec 2014 #54
They are still subject to the law here treestar Dec 2014 #100
And they make a joke of the Miranda rights. zeemike Dec 2014 #105
It is not like that here treestar Dec 2014 #110
+ another 100 COLGATE4 Dec 2014 #184
Well when will we know it is one? zeemike Dec 2014 #187
When there is no system of laws at all treestar Dec 2014 #209
Your understanding of the legal process with COLGATE4 Dec 2014 #183
The well off and educated lawyer up zeemike Dec 2014 #186
Yep. After 25 years as an attorney COLGATE4 Dec 2014 #188
Well it clearly is if you think that a poor person can call his lawyer zeemike Dec 2014 #192
Try Googling "Public Defender". You will be amazed. COLGATE4 Dec 2014 #193
There are Innocent people in prison right now that had a public defender. zeemike Dec 2014 #194
Keep talking. You may evemtually convince yourself. COLGATE4 Dec 2014 #197
poor people have TVs and have been through the public school system treestar Dec 2014 #211
A lawyer will be provided for you if you cannot afford one treestar Dec 2014 #210
Seems strange that you rush to call the US a police state uhnope Dec 2014 #202
What is up with that is the "with us or against us" meme. zeemike Dec 2014 #208
An example of a police state exists treestar Dec 2014 #212
"yet gradually exerted more and more repressive controls over its people" zeemike Dec 2014 #214
What's repressive? treestar Dec 2014 #216
You have the illusion of freedom. zeemike Dec 2014 #219
+100 !!! Keep speaking out! (nt) reACTIONary Dec 2014 #133
Shhh ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #135
no! wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #144
Police murdering citizens + CIA torturing at-will = Police State 99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #4
You have no clue what a real police state is. nt hack89 Dec 2014 #5
What's your point? That everything is cool? It could be worse but it's bad enough. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #7
My point is America is not a police state. hack89 Dec 2014 #9
The police are killing citizens, esp black citizens, with impunity. With out control it will get rhett o rick Dec 2014 #11
Are they killing more now than they were 20, 30, 40 years ago? hack89 Dec 2014 #15
I am still searching for a point. I hope you are not rationalizing this. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #58
They are rationalizing it. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #69
The police are too aggressive and militarized. hack89 Dec 2014 #77
whats an endless, extrajudicial killing spree with no repercussion? reddread Dec 2014 #82
Something to be stopped? hack89 Dec 2014 #86
cant kill whats already dead reddread Dec 2014 #88
Ok. Nt hack89 Dec 2014 #89
So we can't be a police state Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #159
Police state can mean anything you want it to be I guess. hack89 Dec 2014 #168
I never claimed to be anyone special Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #195
The arm flapping angst over people disagreeing with you hack89 Dec 2014 #196
it's not even a molehill hfojvt Dec 2014 #107
So as long as the police murder Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #160
in police state they would not even be considered for indictment treestar Dec 2014 #165
Will you ever say "enough is enough"? 99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #12
When I was born the police were violently enforcing Jim Crow laws in the south hack89 Dec 2014 #21
Black People DO Say It's Worse billhicks76 Dec 2014 #71
I specifically said the police are too aggressive and shoot too many people hack89 Dec 2014 #79
The ACLU would beg to differ. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #73
Link please? Nt hack89 Dec 2014 #78
Perhaps we differ in our definition of a "police state" 99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #75
Then you have a point.. MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #19
ok nt hack89 Dec 2014 #25
A state where the police act with impunity Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #8
Research East Germany - it was once called the perfect police state hack89 Dec 2014 #13
Yes, the STASI Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #22
Remember what the STASI did with that information? hack89 Dec 2014 #26
When that happens Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #32
+1 Enthusiast Dec 2014 #70
We are not even heading in that direction. Nt hack89 Dec 2014 #108
The police kill without fear of retribution Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #122
Ok. Nt hack89 Dec 2014 #123
They're not disappeared. They are shot dead onecaliberal Dec 2014 #45
Police State: WillyT Dec 2014 #18
Thanks for supporting my view hack89 Dec 2014 #23
If You Say So... WillyT Dec 2014 #29
Sure - let's reign in the NSA and demilitarize the police hack89 Dec 2014 #81
You forgot the sarcasm thingie. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #72
My computer appears to be missing the hyperbol key that many of you seem to have hack89 Dec 2014 #83
"Degree of government repression varies widely among societies…" MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #41
A genuine police state only needs politicians cprise Dec 2014 #142
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #154
2 Million People In Jail billhicks76 Dec 2014 #68
That word.."police state".. X_Digger Dec 2014 #17
police state Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #24
I bet you brown people and white people view this issue differently randys1 Dec 2014 #30
Personally I am white Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #35
and they lie constantly randys1 Dec 2014 #36
LOL! Rex Dec 2014 #42
I guess you really weren't addressing this to me... MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #27
The police work to protect the 1% Ramses Dec 2014 #33
WELL, when you put it that way, sure Lol WE are so fucked randys1 Dec 2014 #39
The 1% own the electronic voting machines Ramses Dec 2014 #53
And dare to question it even here Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #40
they will ignore,equivocate,deny and distract Ramses Dec 2014 #47
I see that here often. laundry_queen Dec 2014 #114
" The police work to protect the 1%" dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #90
Damn skippy? MrScorpio Dec 2014 #43
Between ctsnowman Dec 2014 #46
Absolutely Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #48
People's homes are being raided every night ctsnowman Dec 2014 #49
Police routinely steal people's money Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #51
There is a term for when the armed forces overthrow an elected government..... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #55
You forgot to name the NSA. BeanMusical Dec 2014 #59
Many will continue to deny this fact until the day they day. Maedhros Dec 2014 #60
I believe you! n/t sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #61
I have believed that for years. n/t marym625 Dec 2014 #62
It's been like this at least since the Iran—Contra days. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #65
a land of lawlessness and misdirected suckers. reddread Dec 2014 #84
Absolutely. nt DLevine Dec 2014 #76
it's a 'uniquely american' form of police state KG Dec 2014 #91
We are not a country of laws. Baitball Blogger Dec 2014 #92
In a police state, you would not be allowed to post this. randome Dec 2014 #93
This the the 21st Century police state Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #98
By that definition, we've always been a police state onenote Dec 2014 #113
No, we used to actually, on occasion Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #121
We still do. Not as much as we should. But politicians still get punished. Police get punished. onenote Dec 2014 #131
Again, punishment is the exception Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #153
huh? MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #101
I see over-population as the cause of many of the world's ills. randome Dec 2014 #115
What increased competition would a "too big" population have, then? MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #116
The existence of this thread and DU disproves your claim. nt Dreamer Tatum Dec 2014 #102
Lol! You have a comic book view of police states. Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #106
Exponential logical fallacy , Dreamer... MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #117
Nope Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #129
Well you pissed off all the authoritarians with your comment Rex Dec 2014 #112
It is like arguing as to whether a black horse Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #128
How about we all agree that we can call it a "police-ish" state? immoderate Dec 2014 #118
As I explain in another post Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #127
I'd be willing to accept that. stevenleser Dec 2014 #171
Depends on who you are.. SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #119
Exactly my point Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #125
Yup.. I think it's too late now. People are accepting their new status SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #126
No. Of course not. That's nonsense. (nt) reACTIONary Dec 2014 #132
The single most characteristic feature of a police state -- DEATH WITHOUT TRIAL -- is present. Octafish Dec 2014 #136
Bingo !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #139
And the reasoning -- Efficiency and morale of the police trumping civil liberties cprise Dec 2014 #140
If that's the characteristic feature of a police state, then the US has always been a police state onenote Dec 2014 #163
k & r! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #141
There are degrees of a police state workinclasszero Dec 2014 #148
Exactly my point Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #152
If you don't think it's a police state nichomachus Dec 2014 #150
I thought it was gonna happen the night of Oct 20, 1973. Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #151
Not even close... brooklynite Dec 2014 #201
Here's the scenario I thought might unfold: Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #206
Despite the numerous Feral Child Dec 2014 #167
I disagree onenote Dec 2014 #170
You're entitled. Feral Child Dec 2014 #172
Do I think things will get better? Yes. onenote Dec 2014 #180
I hope your assessment is correct. Feral Child Dec 2014 #182
And thank you as well. 2014 sucked, but I have to hope 2015 will start to turn things around onenote Dec 2014 #185
Are you referring the Voting Rights Act Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #199
Yes. onenote Dec 2014 #205
Again, I hope you are right Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #207
We imprison more people, per capita, than North Korea Nevernose Dec 2014 #198
There's no such thing as a "de facto" police state. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #200
By the time we meet your criteria Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #203
There haven't been many times in US history when the CIA was under control. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #204
Why the need to call the US a police state? treestar Dec 2014 #213
Yeah, torture is legal, Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #215
But that's still not a police state. treestar Dec 2014 #217
I have listed all the ways Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #218
I haven't doubted since the days of my youth. Getting thrown in jail Zorra Dec 2014 #221
As you loudly advocate to bust a large prominent union. Got it. Nt hack89 Dec 2014 #231
Oh, since it is a union, I must Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #239
Believe you? What are you, a prophet? rjsquirrel Jan 2015 #251
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