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1StrongBlackMan

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9. Apparently, every few days, we're going to have to go over this ...
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 09:01 AM
Dec 2014

Yes ... the stuff crammed into the spending bill is bad ... we all hate it ... but had Democrats blown up the spending bill, the republicans would have cobbled together a stop-gap measure, with the message: "See we - republicans - are doing this to keep government running", knowing that any stop gap measure would expire in late January/early February ... just after the gop has control over both houses of Congress. Any subsequent long term spending bill would have included everything we hate and much, much more ... AND come with the added "benefit" of having any 2015 government shut-down fall squarely on the Democratic Party (the soon to be labelled (hopefully), the "Obstructionist Democratic Party" ... how's that for turn-about?)

Now ... accepting this as the way the spending battle would likely have played out, into early 2015 (and it IS ... what boehner and mcconnell, both, indicated was their next move if the spending bill had failed) wouldn't the more prudent strategy be to lock in a budget fully funding the ACA and keeping the social safety net and research programming (and federal government employees' jobs) funded, into September 2015, while setting up the fight to win comprehensive immigration reform (i.e., no immigration, no funding for DHS ... we can't deal, no government shut-down, only a DHS shut-down)?

Now ... let's look a step farther ... We know that each and every piece that Democrats/liberals/progressives hate (with the possible exception of the energy/environmental roll-backs) would be unable to survive, should Democrats introduce (loudly) legislation re-establishing the roll-backs and removing the political giving rules.

In the best case, the stand alone, re-establishing legislation is introduced by Democrats, and all the stuff we hate gets stripped out ... name a single Democrat and more than a hand full of republicans that would vote TO re-open the casinos, TO cut WIC, and all the other stuff.

In the immediate case, the legislation is introduced; but, never makes it out of committee/is never brought to a vote, we are at status quo, with all the crap we hate ... but we have a funded government though September 2015, a strong position for the immigration fight, and have the superior messaging position, i.e., "We - Democrats - want to close the casinos, to restore WIC, to get money out of politics; it's the gop that is allowing this to happen by not bringing this to a vote."

In the worst case, the stand alone legislation is introduced and fails, or it is never introduced by Democrats. In the former case, we have republicans (and possibly a few Democrats) on record affirmatively voting to re-open the the casinos, to cut WIC, and to allow more money of the powerful into politics; but we still have a funded government, a strong position for the immigration fight, and have the superior messaging position, i.e., "We - Democrats - tried to close the casinos, to restore WIC, to get money out of politics; it's the gop that is allowing this to happen by defeating our legislation." However, if the latter scenario proves ... Democrats never introduce the stand alone legislation ... well ... we'd have to question why Democrats didn't do so ... but more, wouldn't/shouldn't that question be posed to the liberal/progressive lions of Congress?

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The Democratic Party is becoming more and more the D-Wing of the Corporate Party hobbit709 Dec 2014 #1
And the beat goes on... benz380 Dec 2014 #7
I would disagree with the "Republican blackmail" marym625 Dec 2014 #2
Apparently, every few days, we're going to have to go over this ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #9
Please don't condescend to me like this marym625 Dec 2014 #10
I apologize ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #12
Thank you. marym625 Dec 2014 #15
Luck your brother was able to take out the loan ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #19
except that this passing marym625 Dec 2014 #21
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #24
If if if marym625 Dec 2014 #26
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #28
As I stated in my first reply to you marym625 Dec 2014 #30
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #33
Your prerogative marym625 Dec 2014 #35
As is your prerogative ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #39
That is just what we should all do. Vote out those we see doing wrong. Autumn Dec 2014 #58
The bad behavior becomes the new baseline AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #65
Excellent, excellent post. RiverLover Dec 2014 #50
Oh thanks! marym625 Dec 2014 #52
And when they screw up the economy again rpannier Dec 2014 #11
But not blame the Democrats ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #16
Some folks last courage to think for themselves AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #20
And others treat criticism and pessimism as viable political strategy ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #25
The next collapse will be the last collapse AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #27
The next collapse ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #31
The collapse of 2016 AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #32
The Economics PhD and Nobel Laurate, Paul Krugmann ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #37
No link forthcoming? AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #38
My bad ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #41
Still waiting for this mystery Krugman link AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #57
Do you read what others post ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #59
I saw this: AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #60
But did you see anything else ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #61
So you cannot walk your talk AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #62
Yeah, Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #63
So Krugmann AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #40
I didn't say that ... Neither did your Hartman article. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #42
Boom goes the dynamite. Non-economist disagrees with Nobel Laureate in economics. stevenleser Dec 2014 #48
But in all fairness ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #49
I'm still waiting for the link AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #56
Lots of people correctly predicted the last collapse. Most of them dont agree with Hartmann stevenleser Dec 2014 #46
Your optics are terrible RunInCircles Dec 2014 #54
I'm so disappointed, it makes me sick. PearliePoo2 Dec 2014 #3
Me too. We can have a Democracy or concentrated wealth at the top, but not both. RiverLover Dec 2014 #4
Same here nt newfie11 Dec 2014 #18
Democrats care about democracy ...uhm ...errr ...hmmm L0oniX Dec 2014 #45
+1 It has been a demoralizing six years. hifiguy Dec 2014 #55
I think "complicit" is a more accurate term than "caved". nt NorthCarolina Dec 2014 #5
yep stupidicus Dec 2014 #14
It's always the SAME scenario...Dems had no choice NorthCarolina Dec 2014 #17
well stupidicus Dec 2014 #22
The CROmnibus bill is ample evidence that the two parties are far too much alike. Scuba Dec 2014 #6
Democratic republican big money kumbaya. L0oniX Dec 2014 #44
I love Maxine Waters, she is one of the 3 remaining of the 6 founders of the Progressive Caucus Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #8
Me too! I called her office to tell her staffers to thank her for her backbone. calimary Dec 2014 #23
has been waged for quite some time now stupidicus Dec 2014 #13
Thanks for hanging in there, waiting for Democrats to be Democrats once elected! RiverLover Dec 2014 #51
let me thank you as well stupidicus Dec 2014 #66
The banking changes could have been stopped madville Dec 2014 #29
there is no war. the dem party is owned lock stock and barrell by wall st. KG Dec 2014 #34
moderate-left vs. slightly more left nt arely staircase Dec 2014 #36
Spineless. L0oniX Dec 2014 #43
I would submit that the war is over, and te party lost Doctor_J Dec 2014 #47
Pitiful... kentuck Dec 2014 #53
K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #64
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