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In reply to the discussion: Supreme Court Rules Police Can Violate 4th Amendment..... [View all]treestar
(82,383 posts)114. Can't find decision online yet
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/cert/13-604
The issue was:
It could all have been avoided without the consent. Don't consent! Demand the citation for the break light and go to court and get it dismissed.
The issue was:
Questions as Framed for the Court by the Parties
Whether a police officers mistake of law can provide the individualized suspicion that the Fourth Amendment requires to justify a traffic stop.
Whether a police officers mistake of law can provide the individualized suspicion that the Fourth Amendment requires to justify a traffic stop.
On April 29, 2009, Sergeant Matt Darisse of the Surry County Sheriffs Department in North Carolina pulled over a vehicle in which Nicholas Heien was a passenger. Darisse initiated the stop because one of the rear brake lights on the vehicle was not working properly. While speaking to Heien and the driver of the vehicle, Maynor Javier Vazquez, during the stop, Darisse became suspicious of the young men because Vazquez and Heien gave inconsistent stories about their destination. Upon receiving consent from Heien, who owned the vehicle, Darisse searched the car and found a sandwich bag containing cocaine. After discovering the cocaine, Darisse placed Vazquez and Heien under arrest and charged them with trafficking cocaine.
Heien moved to suppress the evidence seized during the search of his vehicle, arguing that the State violated his rights guaranteed under the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Under North Carolina law, Heien argued, vehicles are required to have only one working rear brake light, and, because Heiens car had one working rear brake light, Darisse did not have the requisite reasonable suspicion to justify a traffic stop. The statute at issue, N.C.G.S. § 20-129 states, [n]o person shall sell or operate on the highways of the [North Carolina] any motor vehicle . . . unless it shall be equipped with a stop lamp on the rear of the vehicle. However, another subsection of this statute, which Darisse relied upon when making the stop, requires that [e]very motor vehicle . . . have all originally equipped rear lamps or the equivalent in good working order, which lamps shall exhibit a red light plainly visible. Despite the ambiguity in the Vehicle Light Statute, the trial court denied the motion to suppress the evidence of cocaine, ruling that Darisse had reasonable suspicion that the driver was violating a North Carolina law by driving with a dysfunctional brake light. Therefore, the trial court found that stop was constitutional.
Heien moved to suppress the evidence seized during the search of his vehicle, arguing that the State violated his rights guaranteed under the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Under North Carolina law, Heien argued, vehicles are required to have only one working rear brake light, and, because Heiens car had one working rear brake light, Darisse did not have the requisite reasonable suspicion to justify a traffic stop. The statute at issue, N.C.G.S. § 20-129 states, [n]o person shall sell or operate on the highways of the [North Carolina] any motor vehicle . . . unless it shall be equipped with a stop lamp on the rear of the vehicle. However, another subsection of this statute, which Darisse relied upon when making the stop, requires that [e]very motor vehicle . . . have all originally equipped rear lamps or the equivalent in good working order, which lamps shall exhibit a red light plainly visible. Despite the ambiguity in the Vehicle Light Statute, the trial court denied the motion to suppress the evidence of cocaine, ruling that Darisse had reasonable suspicion that the driver was violating a North Carolina law by driving with a dysfunctional brake light. Therefore, the trial court found that stop was constitutional.
It could all have been avoided without the consent. Don't consent! Demand the citation for the break light and go to court and get it dismissed.
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Look at this below. Interesting. Doesn't sound as if a warrant is needed for
snappyturtle
Dec 2014
#66
I wonder if that means deregulating vehocles reasserts their 4A protections.
Nuclear Unicorn
Dec 2014
#71
I knew that a warrant wasn't needed for a search of a vehicle and have for years.
Lurks Often
Dec 2014
#78
You do not have any idea what might have happened if the driver refused to give consent.
rhett o rick
Dec 2014
#34
You made a claim that if the driver did not consent, they would just have gotten a ticket.
rhett o rick
Dec 2014
#47
Thats horrible enough We should not be in the state of "I don't know" when it comes to the cops
uponit7771
Dec 2014
#72
I am not "advocating" any such thing. It's very easy for someone to say what
rhett o rick
Dec 2014
#60
I agree with you, I don't think it's reasonable for the cop not to know the area of the law he is
Dustlawyer
Dec 2014
#70
imho, it comes back to the gun issue. people instinctively do what the guy with the gun asks.
unblock
Dec 2014
#76
and then the cops are armed and on edge because they know there are so many guns in society
treestar
Dec 2014
#89
ROFLMAO.. Do you have any idea what would have happened had the driver refused
SomethingFishy
Dec 2014
#41
Right... like I asserted my rights, I should get a lawyer and trust the system..
SomethingFishy
Dec 2014
#62
People think that they are going to talk their way out of stuff with the police
Trekologer
Dec 2014
#99
that's really ridiculous. a traffic cop should know the legal grounds for pulling someone over.
unblock
Dec 2014
#12
Yes... yes it does, it opens the door further for "opinion" stops or excuses for them...
uponit7771
Dec 2014
#74
So there's LESS potential for opinion based stops? A cop can't just say they stopped me because
uponit7771
Dec 2014
#86
Thx, so the police can stop you for any reason .. but to search you they need to state SOME unlawful
uponit7771
Dec 2014
#95
I don't think they can stop you unless they at least have the Terry v Ohio standard
treestar
Dec 2014
#113
... only if the numbers are kept and the "mistakes" reach a critical mass, people of color...
uponit7771
Dec 2014
#75
Sorry but its hyperbole to claim that the court did away with the 4th amendment
cstanleytech
Dec 2014
#28
I would love to read the arguments in this case. Wouldn't you agree that there
snappyturtle
Dec 2014
#38
No, they would have only had a 4th amendment argument if the officer had pulled them over
cstanleytech
Dec 2014
#101
Nope it still exists and if any police department tries to exploit it I would advise them not to
cstanleytech
Dec 2014
#102
This is the most dangerous, naive, agenda focused, activist SC in what was once a real
world wide wally
Dec 2014
#30
Why is it that every amendment in the constitution can be tampered with except the 2nd? nt
jillan
Dec 2014
#94
I've read this and found it most interesting in light of the lower courts'
snappyturtle
Dec 2014
#116