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Ken Burch

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20. People who are talking about the Democratic primaries are not LLI's

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 05:43 PM

Dec 2014

And YOU are not the official arbiter of whom is and is not a Dem.

The whole point about talking about HRC's status in the polls now(at a time when polling for 2016 is too far away to matter)is about badgering everyone into line behind HRC now...the way the party badgered everyone into line behind Kerry as soon as possible in 2004(fat lot of good forcing that race closed as soon as possible did)and 2000.

We need a real, passionate debate and discussion all the way up to the convention...declaring the whole thing over in March or so and pushing everyone to "fall in line" is always about having the party stand for nothing and about making the convention meaningless-neither of which, as history has shown, actually do the party any good.

And HRC's supporters didn't stop fighting for her until almost the end in 2008, even though they knew by mid-May or so that there was no legitimate and honorable way for her to be nominated.

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If HRC is nominated WITHOUT a primary challenge: [View all] Ken Burch Dec 2014 OP

When was the last time a non-incumbent was nominated without a primary challenge? BainsBane Dec 2014 #1

gore 2000? bush 1988? unblock Dec 2014 #34

Gore had a challenge. Bill Bradley. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #41

yeah, but it was really no contest. unblock Dec 2014 #152

Actually that was considered contested until the voting happened. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #153

which is to say the media did its usual job of overselling the drama. unblock Dec 2014 #155

Well yes to an extent. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #156

Eh...and if they didn't wouldn't people be complaining about a coronation? N/T Chathamization Dec 2014 #193

we've had virtual coronations before. people only complain when the media gets it wrong unblock Jan 2015 #200

Bush in '88 ran against Dole, Kemp, and several "regulars" (including Harold Stassen!) George II Dec 2014 #99

more interesting than the democratic primary in 2000, but still no real contest. unblock Dec 2014 #154

Bernie. Someone who stands for the poor and working class. Autumn Dec 2014 #2

He has not changed parties yet. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2014 #7

Not yet, but he's the one speaking out for those who most need a voice to speak for them. Autumn Dec 2014 #17

Unless he changes parties he can not run in a Democratic Primary Agnosticsherbet Dec 2014 #116

I'd rather vote for a true progressive first Just for Fun Dec 2014 #122

If Hillary Clinton runs against Bush or Paul or any other Republican, Agnosticsherbet Dec 2014 #126

ANY Dem can beat those guys. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #142

He'll personally let you know in March.. Just for Fun Dec 2014 #22

First Ink Man Dec 2014 #58

Give Bernie a chance. Just for Fun Dec 2014 #60

Well then your advocating another party and thats not what this site is about... Historic NY Dec 2014 #132

I am advocating for a TRUE Democratic Party. Just for Fun Dec 2014 #137

What??? "Today's Democratic Party is the Republican Party of the 1980s??" MADem Dec 2014 #143

HRC herself can't turn any red states blue. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #71

She may not turn any red states blue Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2014 #117

He doesn't need to turn red states blue. PeteSelman Dec 2014 #164

Has the 2016 Democratic primary been cancelled? Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #3

Not cancelled, but the point of all the anti-Elizabeth Warren and anti-Bernie posters Ken Burch Dec 2014 #4

What did we get last time? n2doc Dec 2014 #8

Hmmm...would you say there are more pro-Warren prosters... Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #12

HRC posters votes. Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #108

LOL. nt Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #118

Care to point out an "anti-Elizabeth Warren" post that ISN'T "she's not running"? brooklynite Dec 2014 #23

Several posts have squawked that she used to be a registered Republican. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #67

Did you know HRC is rated in the same spot of EW? Guess since it is a left Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #119

I know that one misleading graph, posted here about a dozen times, alleged that. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #140

The records speaks for a lot. Hillary was pushing for Civil Rights in her college days, it did not Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #147

Hillary's record has things to like and things to dislike. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #174

No candidate has emerged with a better record than HRC, there are new and upcoming Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #175

Experience doesn't trump. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #176

If experience doesn't matter why would you bring up McCain's experience? Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #179

My point is that I voted for Obama, the less experienced candidate, and don't regret it. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #184

The post you linked to was by a Bernie Sanders supporter. MADem Dec 2014 #139

It's "an 'anti-Elizabeth Warren' post", which is what brooklynite asked about Jim Lane Dec 2014 #141

What was "anti" about it? MADem Dec 2014 #145

It was "anti" to assert, falsely, that she "supported racist, anti gay, anti choice policies" Jim Lane Dec 2014 #173

Why are you saying that the assertion was false? She voted for a candidate and she surely knew the MADem Dec 2014 #177

You make two unsupportable assumptions. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #178

She said she was a Republican-she preferred the GOP because they better supported markets. MADem Dec 2014 #182

Ah, but what's Clinton's position on dogs on Amtrak trains? America wants to know! Jim Lane Dec 2014 #186

I don't know--she wasn't a Senator when that legislation was introduced in the House. I'll bet she MADem Dec 2014 #191

I was referring to Droney, not Peabody Jim Lane Dec 2014 #192

Droney was a DA--of course he was running on his record as Middlesex County's Top Prosecutor. MADem Dec 2014 #195

Not at all. This is a forum to discuss, and or argue about issues and hypotheticals. There are still_one Dec 2014 #42

I don't condone blue-collar votes for Reagan. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #57

I thought it was Carter and his deregulation of the airlines. However, since still_one Dec 2014 #100

Carter's belief that low inflation was more important than full employment didn't help, either. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #103

Gee. I agree still_one Dec 2014 #104

hillary is less popular on du so if you go by what is on du JI7 Dec 2014 #52

I don't think she is popular with primary voters Mnpaul Dec 2014 #85

They split the popular vote. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #87

but not the delegate count Mnpaul Dec 2014 #91

That is true and thst is why he won but in actual voters they did split the vote. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #93

HRC ONLY had the nominal popular vote plurality Ken Burch Dec 2014 #124

I saw that in the wiki Mnpaul Dec 2014 #146

Both MI and FL delegates were seated. joshcryer Dec 2014 #157

You can't achieve presidential greatness as a centrist militarist who defers to Wall Street Ken Burch Dec 2014 #158

She's already to the left of Bill. joshcryer Dec 2014 #159

"all the anti-Elizabeth Warren and anti-Bernie posters" misterhighwasted Dec 2014 #95

I know that isn't true for me loyalsister Dec 2014 #162

Fuckin' hey, Ken Burch! Tell it! NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #5

nobody ever says this except for LLI's VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #6

People who are talking about the Democratic primaries are not LLI's Ken Burch Dec 2014 #20

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #40

Funny how that poster denies and reinforces your point in the same post! beerandjesus Dec 2014 #50

wtf pack are they talking about? AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #61

+1000! n/t ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #66

if you cannot support our decision in the Primary VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #84

AFAIK, You NEVER called Reagan Democrats, (and I doubt you ever called Democrats for Nixon) Ken Burch Dec 2014 #94

+1 - exactly my thoughts. Just for Fun Dec 2014 #127

So Regan Democrats are going to vote for Bush? Old and In the Way Dec 2014 #131

The point is, they were far more disloyal to the party than anybody on the progressive left. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #144

so, swing voters are a myth? reddread Dec 2014 #168

if you cannot pledge to accept who we pick in the Primaty....even if it is HRC VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #196

Still doesn't change who she is.. n/t Dawgs Dec 2014 #21

LLI? FSogol Dec 2014 #25

It's Vanilla's code for "anyone who doesn't back HRC ISN'T a Democrat". Ken Burch Dec 2014 #29

Thanks for clarifying that davidpdx Dec 2014 #163

so wrong on so many counts VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #197

Left leaning independents. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2014 #36

Thanks. n/t FSogol Dec 2014 #75

As opposed to RLD's NorthCarolina Dec 2014 #96

No, as opposed to Democrats. n/t Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2014 #187

As opposed, of course, to the PUMA ("Party Unity My Ass") folks, who Buns_of_Fire Dec 2014 #115

LOL! Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2014 #188

Decades of name recognition don't add up to good ideas. arcane1 Dec 2014 #33

Like 2008??? nt Logical Dec 2014 #48

People who don't want HRC are just as much Democrats as people who do. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #74

Lol! I won't for her regardless. Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #194

Who here is demanding that HRC be nominated without a primary challenge ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #9

I would like to know who they are referring also. I see you did not get an answer and iI dont know Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #45

When your main intent is to be inflammatory and divisive, setting up straw men KittyWampus Dec 2014 #77

There are a decent number of people who will reflexively attack jeff47 Dec 2014 #79

Yeah, okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #89

I feel there will be several Democrats who run for the nomination in 2016 bigwillq Dec 2014 #10

I think it is important that all of them run, even if I support Warren at this point... cascadiance Dec 2014 #30

I think Hillary and Sanders, but not Warren. Also think Biden, Webb, and maybe Jack Reed. I think still_one Dec 2014 #44

I'd love to see a post demanding there be no primary LanternWaste Dec 2014 #11

maybe it's a complacent "why would Hillary have rivals?" and everyone's arguing about inflection? MisterP Dec 2014 #56

I haven't seen anyone demand there be no primary here. n/t. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #13

How about a link to the demands. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2014 #14

That's the only reason to post "HRC's way ahead in the polls" threads. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #27

Hey! I post Hillary is ahead polls and that does not mean I want no primary. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #32

Except that Jeff Rosenzweig Dec 2014 #54

I would vote for brown gwheezie Dec 2014 #62

That's good to hear. Jeff Rosenzweig Dec 2014 #64

Brown would be good, too. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #70

Outstanding questions. OilemFirchen Dec 2014 #97

If the polls say she is in the lead, that is called news. People are allowed to post news Agnosticsherbet Dec 2014 #109

Call outs are an excellent way to get a post hidden. jeff47 Dec 2014 #82

Says you. MADem Dec 2014 #15

The Supreme Court isn't worth being bland centrist or right-of-center on more than half the issues. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #24

Right! Much better to have it bland centrist NONE of the time... brooklynite Dec 2014 #39

You're assuming we can't WIN on principles...that we can't win the argument Ken Burch Dec 2014 #59

Says you! MADem Dec 2014 #76

It can't outweigh NAFTA, the '96 welfare bill. Glass-Steagall repeal and more executions Ken Burch Dec 2014 #81

Says you! MADem Dec 2014 #120

Nobody wants a Jeb Bush presidency. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #125

The Democrat who will win is the Democrat with the ground game. MADem Dec 2014 #134

So if the "Democrat with the ground game" isn't one that is standing up for SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #189

The Supreme Court will be at the forefront of our lives in the years to come, and the person MADem Dec 2014 #190

While there is a smattering of support for Sanders and Warren tiredtoo Dec 2014 #16

It's because money determines elections that elections don't really matter FiveGoodMen Dec 2014 #80

For sure EOM tiredtoo Dec 2014 #92

That's not actually a reminder alcibiades_mystery Dec 2014 #18

Hahaha...I love that movie. nt Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #38

UNREC brooklynite Dec 2014 #19

Who has demanded that HRC be nominated WITHOUT a primary challenge? zappaman Dec 2014 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author LordGlenconner Dec 2014 #49

I'm amazed he's still in one piece. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #69

Call outs are an excellent way to get a post hidden jeff47 Dec 2014 #83

Bullshit. zappaman Dec 2014 #86

A link is a callout. jeff47 Dec 2014 #130

Couldn't find the links, eh? zappaman Dec 2014 #136

No it isn't. There's no TOS rule against linking to another thread on DU to back up an assertion. MADem Dec 2014 #148

There's no rule against linking to other posts on DU. MineralMan Dec 2014 #185

That's just not true. The TOS talks about people supporting whosoever they choose in the primaries MADem Dec 2014 #150

And if hillary wins the nomination will you vote for her? hrmjustin Dec 2014 #28

Well yeah...but that's not the point. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #31

No you don't have to promise anything. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #35

and so will most of us vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee. Hillary will not be the only still_one Dec 2014 #47

Progressives on DU are demanding a cancellation of Dem Primaries? Sheepshank Dec 2014 #37

Not progressives...but then progressives don't want HRC as nominee. n/t. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #63

"(P)rogressives don't want HRC as nominee." OilemFirchen Dec 2014 #102

I post Hillary is leading polls in the Hillary room. Why do you insult me by saying i am trying hrmjustin Dec 2014 #105

Because you decided to throw out anyone who isn't for Hillary Just for Fun Dec 2014 #133

You knew what you were doing. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #135

Is the Photography group an "echo chamber" too? Sheepshank Dec 2014 #169

these forums dont throw you out if you criticize them Just for Fun Dec 2014 #171

You are aware you agreed to the rules of this site? hrmjustin Dec 2014 #172

TOS.....if they can ban, and they enforce the TOS, they will Sheepshank Dec 2014 #180

I admit I don't read every post here tammywammy Dec 2014 #43

I voted for hillary I will vote for her again gwheezie Dec 2014 #46

nobody wants to put in the work to help another candidate JI7 Dec 2014 #51

Dems need a Primary for 16 lobodons Dec 2014 #53

The part in brackets in your title sadoldgirl Dec 2014 #55

K & R Thespian2 Dec 2014 #65

If we show enough support for Bernie Sanders we won't have this problem. Dustlawyer Dec 2014 #68

Yes Hillary, step aside please so we can run a MyNameGoesHere Dec 2014 #72

candidate that wont run to wars we cant win reddread Dec 2014 #110

Yes Hillary will start more wars than MyNameGoesHere Dec 2014 #129

Libya, Syria, Iran she is bloodthirsty reddread Dec 2014 #165

If history has taught me anything MyNameGoesHere Dec 2014 #183

I haven't seen ANY DU'er "demand" Clinton be nominated w/o challenge. KittyWampus Dec 2014 #73

Since Rush wanted HC to get the nomination in 08.... Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #78

He thought she was easier to beat and that a nomination fight would hurt Obama. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2014 #111

You just made my point Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #113

I won't vote for a Conservative and thats that PatrynXX Dec 2014 #88

The Powers That Be have already decided it's Bush/Clinton in 2016 NightWatcher Dec 2014 #90

Center??? hay rick Dec 2014 #106

Who's demanded that? frazzled Dec 2014 #98

I'd be fine with her running Ken Burch Dec 2014 #101

throw your hat in the ring nt arely staircase Dec 2014 #107

I just read through the replies and still have not seen evidence of anyone saying there should not Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #112

"If HRC is nominated WITHOUT a primary challenge?"....HELLO Third Party! RiverLover Dec 2014 #114

Did not say that. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #123

I know! Preachin to the choir. Repug, Fake Dem, Conservadem, "centrist", all the same. RiverLover Dec 2014 #128

I think HRC is betting on Wall Street favoring her over Bush The Fatter Doctor_J Dec 2014 #121

When you hear the name of the Republican nominee customerserviceguy Dec 2014 #138

If HRC effectively gets a pass like Bill got a pass in 96 ucrdem Dec 2014 #149

If a monkey flies out of my ass WITHOUT causing me pain rufus dog Dec 2014 #151

We're all supposed to be thrilled to have Hillary! Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #160

Here is my question, if Hilary is the nominee, then you all akbacchus_BC Dec 2014 #161

are you worried about liberals voting? reddread Dec 2014 #166

OK, you're entitled to an opinion rock Dec 2014 #167

If so it would be a spoof of a democratically mylye2222 Dec 2014 #170

And why would you think that will happen? MineralMan Dec 2014 #181

Or it could simply mean that other possible challengers have decided pnwmom Jan 2015 #198

I know some people would like to skip the primaries entirely Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #199

Don't remember a primary in my lifetime without a challenger. NCTraveler Jan 2015 #201