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MADem

(135,425 posts)
66. I don't think he's in as bad shape as you might think him to be.
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 11:02 PM
Dec 2014

It's inevitable that someone like the mayor with a strong showing is going to come down over time--people vote for hope and change, and then reality intrudes. When they realize their savior does NOT have a magic wand, the voting public gets pissed and shirty, some of them. And professional whiners who are always eager to pull public figures down a peg will latch onto this "How dare a father of black kids be nuanced" poutrage that some on the right are shopping as "proof" that the Mayor isn't kissing NYPD ass. I'm not buying their gripes. They're the ones with the problem--maybe if they didn't choke people on the streets, they wouldn't be feeling afraid to do their jobs all of a sudden.

Dinkins was a freak election--not like this one. Are you forgetting that he beat incumbent KOCH in the primary? Tone-deaf Ed Koch? Corrupt, racist Ed Koch? And in an interesting look through the long lens of history, even the NYT says that the Dinkins administration was pretty damn successful on a lot of fronts:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/26/nyregion/26dinkins.html?_r=0

Mr. Dinkins’s most lasting achievement might have been in the very area where he now fares worst in popular memory. He obtained the State Legislature’s permission to dedicate a tax to hire thousands of police officers, and he fought to preserve a portion of that anticrime money to keep schools open into the evening, an award-winning initiative that kept tens of thousands of teenagers off the street. Later he hired Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly, and in the mayor’s final years in office, homicide began its now record-breaking decline.

His officials played a key role in negotiating the cleanup and revitalization of Times Square, persuading the Walt Disney Corporation to rehabilitate an old 42nd Street theater.....over all, Mr. Dinkins rebuilt more housing in a single term than Mr. Giuliani did in two terms.

Mr. Dinkins also negotiated a stadium deal that still draws applause. His administration gave the United States Tennis Association a 99-year lease on city parkland; in exchange, the tennis association built a stadium and tennis complex in Flushing Meadows, Queens, and shares the courts with the public.
....his administration made advances unmatched by succeeding administrations. He joined with Gov. Mario M. Cuomo and poured money into assisted housing for the mentally ill homeless.

As a result, the city’s shelter population fell to its lowest point in the last 20 years. The shelter population in 1991 stood at less than 20,000; today it stands near 38,000.



And who is "singling out and criticizing people who wear NYPD clothing?" When you wear a Yankees hat, people assume you root for the Yankees. When you wear a Save The Planet tee shirt, people assume you are an environmentalist. Don't wear the 'gear' if you don't desire the association--and right now, the association isn't all rosy and sweet. In this environment, with the choking, beating, homiciding police, engaged in quite a bit of gratuitous brutality of late (and two of them getting shot by a nutter in a warped 'reaction' to the homicide of Garner) battle lines WERE being drawn--and the NYPD was doing more than their share of drawing them, with their back turning and childishness and confrontational statements about their damn boss at City Hall.

My point is that I don't see anyone I hang out with wearing that shit--they wouldn't be caught dead in it--especially after Garner, and even more so after these stunts with the Mayor. It's like wearing "I'm An Asshole" gear. That kind of crap is for angry white men and Republicans, these days. It may not have been uncool back in the days when Nahn Wun Wun Changed Ever-Thang, but those days are LONG gone. The NYPD have spent all their goodwill, and they're in debt, solely owing to their boorish behavior. The FDNY doesn't have this problem--they save people from burning buildings, they don't choke them for selling loosies. We're getting to the point where we're--at long last--not hearing NAHN WUN WUN as an excuse, a reason, a deflection every five minutes. So this whole "Waaaah--don't criticize the NYPD" game isn't going to be played any more. They need to change THEIR attitudes--not expect the public to kiss their asses.

The police need to grow the hell up, stop acting like bullies and brutes, get the spirit, stop choking and shooting, and start protecting and serving, or there will be consequences--and not the "riot in the street" consequences, but the "kick out the shitty managers and get people in there who can hold these clowns to standards, rigorously enforce them, and punish failures in professionalism" consequences. Can't happen soon enough. Time for a culling--the misfits need to be fired and the slackers need to be called to account. That display of boorishness at the Memorial Service and the graduation showed the world how childish and immature they were. They're mad because people are noticing them--but not in a good way.

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You may not have heard .. _Blue_ Dec 2014 #1
Still here blue... Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #5
That's an interesting response. I shall consider your words. _Blue_ Dec 2014 #8
And the NYPD is behaving in a childish manner Kalidurga Dec 2014 #7
Kalidurga. sheshe2 Dec 2014 #30
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #34
Me too Kalidurga Dec 2014 #40
most of us know that none of these people give a shit about the minority officers who were killed JI7 Dec 2014 #10
There are 45,000 NYPD cops _Blue_ Dec 2014 #15
the cops themselves need to condemn the bad ones , you don't see teachers defending and protecting JI7 Dec 2014 #18
I hope you are being sarcastic for emphasis and that your post is in no way serious. nt branford Dec 2014 #36
This is true in every profession. 840high Dec 2014 #29
Every profession doesn't have a license to kill. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #59
But we can talk about the bad.... daleanime Dec 2014 #53
+1,000 malaise Dec 2014 #46
Can you please post pictures and links Ramses Dec 2014 #16
Here's one headline: _Blue_ Dec 2014 #17
wow Ramses Dec 2014 #19
Who said anything about supporting police brutality? _Blue_ Dec 2014 #20
the hundreds of police that turned their backs Ramses Dec 2014 #21
I don't support their message _Blue_ Dec 2014 #22
if you support hundreds of police being insubordinate Ramses Dec 2014 #23
How did u feel about insubordinate teachers in Wisconsin? joeglow3 Dec 2014 #32
I don't worry about teachers killing me, tasing me, beating me down. Do you? Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #60
That has zero basis on this and you know it joeglow3 Dec 2014 #63
Do you support protesters rights, their voice without~ sheshe2 Dec 2014 #28
Of course, peaceful protest is a hallmark that should be protected not stifled. _Blue_ Dec 2014 #48
Using a funeral, one to which the Mayor was invited by the grieving family, as a means of sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #25
I grieve for the Officers Ramos and Liu and their dear families. My heart goes out to them all. sheshe2 Dec 2014 #27
He'll be lucky to have a job tomorrow. NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #2
Hopefully he'll have a job tomorrow LittleBlue Dec 2014 #4
Yup! n/t KMOD Dec 2014 #9
My mom was friends with a lady who had this little yapping dog Kalidurga Dec 2014 #3
NY Giants Coach Tom Coughlin did as well. Raine1967 Dec 2014 #6
Agree! Sissyk Dec 2014 #12
thank goodness SOMEbody supports the Jets hfojvt Dec 2014 #38
Thank God Dorian Gray Dec 2014 #45
Twitchy is little more than a colorful, Twitter-embedded Free Republic, alp227 Dec 2014 #11
Yep Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #13
And i think Rex Ryan is an a-hole, because...HE CAN'T COACH. NT alp227 Dec 2014 #14
Oh yes he can. Are_grits_groceries Dec 2014 #44
When Rex Ryan was defensive and then assistant head coach with the Ravens LibertyLover Dec 2014 #49
Could be showing a sign of support for officers who died JonLP24 Dec 2014 #24
I have great respect for the NYPD as an institution and an idea 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #26
When people politicize sports, they risk alienating half their fan base. MADem Dec 2014 #31
Respectfully, although your point about the politicization of sports certainly has merit, branford Dec 2014 #35
Those players were black and that hit home. That coach isn't a cop and he's white. MADem Dec 2014 #39
Apparently, despite your other post, it is acceptable to potentially alienate half you fan base, branford Dec 2014 #41
"Such attire" hasn't been fashionable since Nahn Wun Wun and Terra Terra Terra ceased to be a thing. MADem Dec 2014 #42
First, I guess you've abandoned the politicization of sports argument branford Dec 2014 #43
No--you keep glossing over the powerful v. powerless aspect--which extends to the player v. coach MADem Dec 2014 #56
You do realize that older voters, Staten Islanders, Republicans, whites and males branford Dec 2014 #57
Oh goodness, no--I had no idea that they were allowed to vote at all. Why, I'm shocked! MADem Dec 2014 #58
That's not my point, and I'm not preemptively gloating when the mayor branford Dec 2014 #61
I don't think he's in as bad shape as you might think him to be. MADem Dec 2014 #66
And students are allowed to wear "i cant breathe" shirts as well. 7962 Dec 2014 #65
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #37
Celebrities and notables wearing NYPD (and FDNY) attire in New York is definitely not news. branford Dec 2014 #33
I think it is perfectly fine to ware an NYPD hat. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #47
I have no issue with that bigwillq Dec 2014 #50
Fired this morning. TBF Dec 2014 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author otohara Dec 2014 #52
+1 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #55
Perhaps ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #54
who's mad? Enrique Dec 2014 #62
Read this thread. maced666 Dec 2014 #64
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