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branford

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19. You need to acknowledge that the strong labor protections afforded the unions
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 12:21 AM
Dec 2014

you agree with, also protect the NYPD unions. Similarly, the police, as public employees, are entitled to the same constitutional protections as other more liberal public employees. Lastly, the type, nature, extent and procedures for discipline are governed by the various collective bargaining agreements between the city and unions, which in a blue state and city like NY, favor workers.

You may find the actions of the officers abhorrent, and to a great extent I certainly agree, but I'm not to about to abandon my liberal labor ideals and become a hypocrite over some posturing between a mayor of NYC and the police, hardly a historically uncommon circumstance, and a few less traffic and parking tickets, no less look to Reagan's PATCO firings as an inspiration.

In additional to the police officers' legal protections, threatening discipline, no less termination, is a political dead end. Whether anyone here agrees or not, the police have solid public support, solidarity with police elsewhere, and could not be easily or readily replaced. In fact, the mayor's continued dispute with the NYPD rank-and-file, which started before Gardner and the police murders and primarily relates to the contentious negotiation and now binding arbitration of the PBA contract, is largely responsible for the deBlasio's precipitously declining support in the polls. DeBlasio certainly doesn't want to inflame the situation even more, despite his belief that the union criticisms are unfair and unfounded.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/new-york-city/release-detail?ReleaseID=2120

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/new-yorkers-who-like-cops-dont-like-de-blasio/

Lastly, the police have not threatened deBlasio outside the entirely lawful political sphere, and certainly not his family. Such inaccuracy and hyperbole are not helpful and potentially counterproductive.

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yup fire every one of them let them enjoy the vast wealth and comfy living on unemployment belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #1
RR ran a union for years. Ink Man Dec 2014 #5
He was also informing on his union brothers and sisters to the FBI during those years Major Nikon Dec 2014 #16
+100 Reagan was never a real union man, let alone a union leader. He was a plant and a stooge. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #21
fire them for what? NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #22
does it matter ? theyre not going to get fired belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #24
you're the one that called for the firing, so i'm asking you. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #27
and i have answered you belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #28
you answered but didn't answer the question NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #31
Let's see atreides1 Dec 2014 #29
turning their back on the mayor = those things? NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #30
So you are championing Reagan's labor busting that caused irreparable harm to the labor movement? Agnosticsherbet Dec 2014 #2
What part of this dont you get? ONe group wanted safe working conditions, the other wants randys1 Dec 2014 #3
Reagan abused his authority and caused grave long standing damage to workers rights. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2014 #4
since when do employees get to stage a protest against their boss? belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #25
since forever? NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #32
youre able to stand up and turn your back on your boss as a fuck you while he' giving a belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #33
they're not doing it as individuals acting individually to their boss. they're doing it as a group. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #34
yes i have heard of strikes. most union contracts dont include wildcat strikes most strikes happen belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #36
There's a difference between acting on behalf of the union and acting as an employee Major Nikon Dec 2014 #38
and speaking of consequences for turning one's back on someone: NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #35
PATCO wanted safe flying conditions for the public. Downwinder Dec 2014 #11
PATCO wanted to be paid the same as Braniff pilots Major Nikon Dec 2014 #13
Think they were paid more. Downwinder Dec 2014 #14
Probably about the same on average Major Nikon Dec 2014 #15
'Haven't been in a Center since then. Downwinder Dec 2014 #17
I imagine it's the same now Major Nikon Dec 2014 #18
Unfortunately, it was illegal for them to strike. louis-t Dec 2014 #9
I agree. It could have gone badly. The reprucussions for wokres still play out today. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2014 #10
PATCO was only one of two unions in the nation that endorsed Saint Ronnie Major Nikon Dec 2014 #6
isn't it ironic NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #23
ooh crap that's right i had forgotten about that ................ nt belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #26
Oh yes indeed !!! PATCO endorsed Reagan.....ooops lunasun Dec 2014 #37
The ATC members should not have been fired, nor should the NYPD, however: Raine1967 Dec 2014 #7
I know much of DU wants to get behind the whole Reagan was wonderful thing but what he did was Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #8
LOL you cant find a bigger opponent to Reagan than me, maybe Thom Hartmann randys1 Dec 2014 #12
You need to acknowledge that the strong labor protections afforded the unions branford Dec 2014 #19
More than fair wages burrowowl Dec 2014 #20
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