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hifiguy

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67. Read this and get back to me.

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 02:28 PM

Dec 2014

"On March 11, 2002, a fire at a girls' school in Mecca, Saudi Arabia killed fifteen people, all young girls. The event was especially notable due to complaints that Saudi Arabia's "religious police" (aka the Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice) stopped schoolgirls from leaving the burning building and hindered rescue workers because the girls were not wearing correct Islamic dress. As Hanny Megally, Executive Director of the Middle East and North Africa division of Human Rights Watch put it, "Women and girls may have died unnecessarily because of extreme interpretations of the Islamic dress code. State authorities with direct and indirect responsibility for this tragedy must be held accountable."

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Great cartoon: Burka vs Bikini - symbols of male-dominated cultures [View all] pampango Dec 2014 OP

the bikini is freely chosen by women - also, while not on the beach samsingh Dec 2014 #1

Perhaps it's not the comparison, but the idea Ron Green Dec 2014 #4

What idea could that possibly be? Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #24

Tell that to those of us who have suffered with anorexia, or bulimia, truedelphi Dec 2014 #27

That doesn't mean women who don't starve themselves yet choose to wear what they want Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #31

No not for wearing them, but why they wear them. Huge difference. n/t A Simple Game Dec 2014 #33

And why is that, according to your theory? Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #34

They wear them to impress other people. A Simple Game Dec 2014 #40

"But there is little reason to believe that they wear them for their own pleasure." Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #43

Agree. polly7 Dec 2014 #52

"This idea that western women dress for men is just stupid. We're not mindless morons." Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #53

If your husband is beaming primarily prayin4rain Dec 2014 #57

If; but not. I'm confident with my body image but I could never be mistaken for Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #60

I wore my bikini because it worked best for vigorous swimming. raging moderate Feb 2024 #126

You don't understand my reference to extremes? A Simple Game Jan 2015 #111

"As for doing things to please your partner, that was exactly my point... Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #112

You know why you do what you do but fail to see why burkas are worn. A Simple Game Jan 2015 #115

"You still refuse to say you wear a bikini because you feel comfortable in it" Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #116

I wore my bikini because I was more comfortable in it while swimming. raging moderate Feb 2024 #127

You are right. I DID wear bikinis for my own pleasure and physical comfort. raging moderate Feb 2024 #129

totally wrong. samsingh Dec 2014 #46

that's what i took from it samsingh Dec 2014 #44

The idea that neither woman sees the other as making her own choice (nt) Recursion Dec 2014 #105

It can be interpreted differently neutralperson Mar 2023 #121

I agree usernmae1693np Mar 2024 #131

Disagree usernmae1693np Mar 2024 #130

There are many ways to think about this cartoon hibdeugku Apr 2024 #132

Only thin women though treestar Dec 2014 #42

social pressure also is for a heavy man not to wear a speedo onenote Dec 2014 #90

Bad analogy. peabody Dec 2014 #3

At the beach my wife and I go to women wear or don't upaloopa Dec 2014 #6

...^ that 840high Dec 2014 #35

I don't think you are getting the point neutralperson Mar 2023 #122

Check the date on this thread and the posts you're answering. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2023 #123

Burka can be a choice too asdfjk1234 Feb 2024 #124

So, what this cartoon is saying is: Since Western women choose to wear bikinis they -- Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #5

+1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #25

The other woman in the cartoon is also western, and also choosing to wear her niqaab Recursion Dec 2014 #86

"The two are in the same country," Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #101

Yes, in western nations Recursion Dec 2014 #104

This reminds me of a conversation CJCRANE Dec 2014 #7

Brazil has a whole different level of bikini than we do here in the US. Ace Rothstein Dec 2014 #28

culture is everything lucialamagna Mar 2025 #134

Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #135

an interesting perspective, I will have to think on this but k&r for interesting thought uppityperson Dec 2014 #8

So women in the USA HAVE to wear Bikinis? Wow, I thought they got to decide. nt Logical Dec 2014 #9

Both women in the cartoon are in the USA Recursion Dec 2014 #87

As a matter of law she doesn't have to wear it. As a matter of her culture/religion, she does onenote Dec 2014 #91

Really? Recursion Dec 2014 #95

Sexy is bad. Slut shaming is good. ZX86 Dec 2014 #10

The one teeny, tiny difference being hifiguy Dec 2014 #11

Neither woman in the cartoon is forced to wear what she is wearing Recursion Dec 2014 #88

Women ARE forced to wear burkas and hijabs hifiguy Dec 2014 #92

Saudi Arabia is a horrible country, and irrelevant to the cartoon Recursion Dec 2014 #93

What a dishonest false analogy. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #12

The cartoon is not about clothing but about the two women not seeing each other as agents Recursion Dec 2014 #103

Yes, but feelings are not reality. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #108

I've said it for years: Western men want their women naked; Middle Eastern men, completely covered. WinkyDink Dec 2014 #13

Western men may want that, but they have nothing to say about what we wear. MoonRiver Dec 2014 #23

Geez you've been wrong for years. upaloopa Dec 2014 #77

I was alluding to the expression about "Molly O'Grady and the Captain's Lady...." And in any WinkyDink Jan 2015 #117

I would characterize that as one of the more grossly unfair statements recently posted on DU Orrex Jan 2015 #113

I guess the Pop culture I've observed and the one you've observed differ. (You DID see the OP?) WinkyDink Jan 2015 #118

I would def choose the bikini (nt) bigwillq Dec 2014 #14

pretty deep madokie Dec 2014 #15

I don't think there is a "western standard of beauty." joshcryer Dec 2014 #16

Women are not forced to wear bikinis davidn3600 Dec 2014 #17

Do women get abducted, arrested and viciously beaten for wearing bikinis? Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #18

No. They/we get beaten and raped because they are women . 1WorldHope Feb 2024 #128

Not sure which is worse? Seriously? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #19

Where in the West are women beaten with wands by religious zealots for not wearing a bikini? Throd Dec 2014 #20

Hmm, proudly claiming my sexuality or shrouded and disappeared? riderinthestorm Dec 2014 #21

Plus, men don't exactly wear long sleeves at the beach either. arcane1 Dec 2014 #26

I swim laps every day at my community pool. riderinthestorm Dec 2014 #30

I don't have to wear a bikini. cwydro Dec 2014 #22

Both women in the cartoon are in the USA. Neither " have to" wear what they are wearirng Recursion Dec 2014 #89

In the tiny nation of Butan, the only nation that has a truedelphi Dec 2014 #29

Yeah. Having access to information is worse than being stoned to death. nt alphafemale Dec 2014 #50

oddly enuff many men wear bikinis but Ive never seen ONE man wear a burka AND msongs Dec 2014 #32

The Bikini is now being forced upon women? EEO Dec 2014 #36

You can't win an argument ... JEFF9K Dec 2014 #37

sunbathing braddy Dec 2014 #38

That's the stupidest goddamn thing I've ever seen. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2014 #39

Where is this, Ferenginar? n/t eggplant Dec 2014 #41

Yeah, no one is going to throw stones at me, or imprison me, for NOT wearing a bikini Matariki Dec 2014 #45

In one culture a woman can choose to wear a Bikini, Burka or anything in between. dilby Dec 2014 #47

And you fell for the trap: they're both in the same country Recursion Dec 2014 #84

and as often as you repeat it, you miss the point onenote Dec 2014 #96

How many niqaab wearing women do you actually know? Recursion Dec 2014 #97

You'd lose that bet. onenote Dec 2014 #106

Ask one of them what *she* thinks about bikinis Recursion Dec 2014 #107

I find that as relevant as what Clarence Thomas thinks re: A.A. Issues stevenleser Dec 2014 #110

Hmm 1step Dec 2014 #48

Not this dumb argument again. Quantess Dec 2014 #49

this is stupid, and why the comparison of what someone wears at the beach to everyday JI7 Dec 2014 #51

what an incredible load of crap - stupid ignorant comparion. samsingh Dec 2014 #54

False equivalency seems to be popular in politics these days. The GOP gets away with it a lot. stevenleser Dec 2014 #55

Objectified or Covered prayin4rain Dec 2014 #56

The false equivalency is what is ridiculous. stevenleser Dec 2014 #58

They are instructed by their faith prayin4rain Dec 2014 #59

"Instructed by their faith?" How does that even make sense? SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #73

I, personally, am not a person of a particular faith. prayin4rain Dec 2014 #74

Yeah, like I said... indoctrinated. And Nuns choose to be Nuns... SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #75

Many nuns do anyway, many don't. prayin4rain Dec 2014 #76

"In the case of bikinis, there are speedos for men." Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #62

LMAO, my eyes! I'm blind! stevenleser Dec 2014 #63

Pony Mind Bleach! hifiguy Dec 2014 #70

I've certainly heard basically that argument verbatim from women who cover Recursion Dec 2014 #100

Covering is objectification. They are instructed to be covered to avoid tempting men. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #61

That's the western interpretation. Many of them prayin4rain Dec 2014 #64

"The many implications that they were is dishonest." Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #65

Just, uuugghhhhhh. n/t prayin4rain Dec 2014 #66

Oops. Didn't see your link before I posted hifiguy Dec 2014 #68

Fear of being stoned to death is not "modesty." n/t meaculpa2011 Dec 2014 #81

Covering could be the woman's choice hibdeugku Apr 2024 #133

Read this and get back to me. hifiguy Dec 2014 #67

He did a few minutes before you posted GummyBearz Dec 2014 #69

This is absurd - when bikinis become mandatory, then you'll have an equivalence. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2014 #71

I understand the cartoon's point and the objections. uppityperson Dec 2014 #72

Pampango, why do you think this is a "great" cartoon? riderinthestorm Dec 2014 #78

It shows that objectification of women exists in both cultures though it is much more harshly pampango Dec 2014 #82

ok. Then we completely disagree. riderinthestorm Dec 2014 #94

I know several hijab-wearing women who think that about swimwear, FWIW (nt) Recursion Dec 2014 #85

Slaves of fashion. But, at least neither are obliged to wear hats. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #79

I think the point here is choice. If you could choose it would not matter. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2014 #80

Interesting how wrong most of the replies are -- the two women are in the same country Recursion Dec 2014 #83

Why do you assume that? riderinthestorm Dec 2014 #98

They're physically passing each other on the sidewalk Recursion Dec 2014 #99

Cartoonists take liberties with locations all the time. I didn't think they were in the same country riderinthestorm Dec 2014 #109

I can't view it from my workplace computer--is it an unaltered photograph? Orrex Jan 2015 #114

We shouldn't judge other cultures without fully examining our own. dawg Dec 2014 #102

Insightful manganmar Dec 2022 #119

Yes? And? Wait for it ... NT mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2022 #120

either or asdfjk1234 Feb 2024 #125