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Major Nikon

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38. There's a difference between acting on behalf of the union and acting as an employee

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 04:11 PM

Dec 2014

A person representing the union during negotiations can tell their boss to go fuck themselves because in this setting they are on equal footing with management and aren't subject to discipline in the same way some other employee would be and/or in a different setting. Rank in file employees don't have that luxury. So it is possible the NYPD could potentially discipline employees for this behavior, but realistically I don't see that happening.

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So Air Traffic Controllers wanted fair wages and decent working conditions, Reagan fired them [View all] randys1 Dec 2014 OP

yup fire every one of them let them enjoy the vast wealth and comfy living on unemployment belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #1

RR ran a union for years. Ink Man Dec 2014 #5

He was also informing on his union brothers and sisters to the FBI during those years Major Nikon Dec 2014 #16

+100 Reagan was never a real union man, let alone a union leader. He was a plant and a stooge. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #21

fire them for what? NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #22

does it matter ? theyre not going to get fired belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #24

you're the one that called for the firing, so i'm asking you. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #27

and i have answered you belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #28

you answered but didn't answer the question NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #31

Let's see atreides1 Dec 2014 #29

turning their back on the mayor = those things? NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #30

So you are championing Reagan's labor busting that caused irreparable harm to the labor movement? Agnosticsherbet Dec 2014 #2

What part of this dont you get? ONe group wanted safe working conditions, the other wants randys1 Dec 2014 #3

Reagan abused his authority and caused grave long standing damage to workers rights. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2014 #4

since when do employees get to stage a protest against their boss? belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #25

since forever? NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #32

youre able to stand up and turn your back on your boss as a fuck you while he' giving a belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #33

they're not doing it as individuals acting individually to their boss. they're doing it as a group. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #34

yes i have heard of strikes. most union contracts dont include wildcat strikes most strikes happen belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #36

There's a difference between acting on behalf of the union and acting as an employee Major Nikon Dec 2014 #38

and speaking of consequences for turning one's back on someone: NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #35

PATCO wanted safe flying conditions for the public. Downwinder Dec 2014 #11

PATCO wanted to be paid the same as Braniff pilots Major Nikon Dec 2014 #13

Think they were paid more. Downwinder Dec 2014 #14

Probably about the same on average Major Nikon Dec 2014 #15

'Haven't been in a Center since then. Downwinder Dec 2014 #17

I imagine it's the same now Major Nikon Dec 2014 #18

Unfortunately, it was illegal for them to strike. louis-t Dec 2014 #9

I agree. It could have gone badly. The reprucussions for wokres still play out today. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2014 #10

PATCO was only one of two unions in the nation that endorsed Saint Ronnie Major Nikon Dec 2014 #6

isn't it ironic NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #23

ooh crap that's right i had forgotten about that ................ nt belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #26

Oh yes indeed !!! PATCO endorsed Reagan.....ooops lunasun Dec 2014 #37

The ATC members should not have been fired, nor should the NYPD, however: Raine1967 Dec 2014 #7

I know much of DU wants to get behind the whole Reagan was wonderful thing but what he did was Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #8

LOL you cant find a bigger opponent to Reagan than me, maybe Thom Hartmann randys1 Dec 2014 #12

You need to acknowledge that the strong labor protections afforded the unions branford Dec 2014 #19

More than fair wages burrowowl Dec 2014 #20