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NanceGreggs

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72. It is not a matter of disagreement ...

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 08:12 PM

Dec 2014

... it is a matter of dealing with FACTS versus dealing with your obvious lack of knowledge of the facts.

It IS a fact that the minimum wage, as it now stands, is a travesty. It is NOT a fact that the president can single-handedly raise it.

Seriously, dude - trying to have an intelligent discussion with anyone who insists that the FACTS are other than what they are is like trying to discuss astronomy with someone who insists the sun rotates around the Earth.

"He is not the guy you think he is." Really? I think he is the president who, by virtue of our system of gov't, is fully aware of what his powers are, and what powers lie with other branches of gov't.

The fact that you are unable to grasp the simple concept of separation of powers speaks for itself.

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How did the Democratic Party let this President become so vilified? [View all] kentuck Dec 2014 OP

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Explained by those from a pew in the Obama church. WillTwain Dec 2014 #46

If only 59 was 60. jeff47 Dec 2014 #55

60 - Like the ACA got WillTwain Dec 2014 #57

Which ACA bill? jeff47 Dec 2014 #70

The one that go t 60 WillTwain Dec 2014 #71

The fact that the final bill could not should clue you in that a minimum wage bill jeff47 Dec 2014 #74

W. was opposed by democratic majorities in the senate and house. On the contrary Obama enjoyed big WillTwain Dec 2014 #76

The fact that Congress has control over certain things ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #62

You seem to not grasp the concept of the president sets the agenda. WillTwain Dec 2014 #66

It is not a matter of disagreement ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #72

Why are you so angry and mean-spirited. WillTwain Dec 2014 #75

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He has repeatedly brought up ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #95

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What I said was ... NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #127

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no one is shutting down any conversation Sheepshank Jan 2015 #227

No and that seems to be the problem. kentuck Jan 2015 #228

I haven't seen that on this thread...I have seen anyone being told to stop talking n/t Sheepshank Jan 2015 #229

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And "persecution"... kentuck Jan 2015 #232

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evidently marym625 Jan 2015 #243

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Remember when Air America Radio started? marym625 Jan 2015 #141

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They have a reason to show up. Their party actually works for them. jeff47 Dec 2014 #52

How did the Democratic Party let the leader of the Democratic Party get so vilified? Iggo Dec 2014 #15

strange question for you to ask, kentuck. mopinko Dec 2014 #16

I see it from a purely political disadvantage... kentuck Dec 2014 #20

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I collect baseball caps. nt Union Scribe Jan 2015 #154

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right? cuba? mopinko Dec 2014 #97

ask Alison Grimes JI7 Dec 2014 #19

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is grimes a fucking idiot ? JI7 Dec 2014 #23

You're making shit up ! kentuck Jan 2015 #118

Grimes herself may not be racist but she was certainly campaiging for the racist vote JI7 Jan 2015 #119

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This turkey is the choice of the 1%ers Wellstone ruled Dec 2014 #69

I think we can all agree that Rahm Emanuel SUCKS! Enthusiast Dec 2014 #30

why is he leading in the mayors race ? JI7 Dec 2014 #31

The people of Chicago have never supported progressives for Mayor. former9thward Dec 2014 #58

So progressives don't want the city to function ? JI7 Dec 2014 #68

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I just want a mayor marym625 Jan 2015 #146

Happened with Carter too KT2000 Dec 2014 #28

The unfair biased media always give the Righties a platform they use to vilify the President. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #29

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They tell their listeners the dumbest shit imaginable. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #53

Good thing that would never happen here... brooklynite Dec 2014 #33

We know exactly how this happened. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #34

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Half disapproval rating from Tea Party, half from Progressives. ErikJ Dec 2014 #38

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you just need to read DU to see why...... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #44

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Everything you say is true, and why do think that is? tularetom Dec 2014 #81

Well... ElboRuum Dec 2014 #83

Corporate Media has lambasted Obama and we don't have much say in how they parse things. YOHABLO Dec 2014 #54

Fox yellowwoodII Dec 2014 #61

IDK But I Am Confident His Approval Rating Will Soar After Leaving Office... Corey_Baker08 Dec 2014 #64

Two answers: 1. Repubs are unified and have mind-numbing tenacity, and SpankMe Dec 2014 #65

ummm. One word WhiteTara Dec 2014 #79

It's not just the president... sendero Dec 2014 #90

Problem with communication, yes, elleng Dec 2014 #101

Simple answer... abakan Dec 2014 #102

It's called "Fox News". They disrupt popular opinion. Initech Jan 2015 #108

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Nice post! marym625 Jan 2015 #136

man, if i was so vilified, i don't know if i could get out of bed in the morn... KG Jan 2015 #145

Well, you could always ask Bill, Hill and Al. ucrdem Jan 2015 #155

Funny you should ask, kentuck. MineralMan Jan 2015 #180

At some point, we have to look at the facts. kentuck Jan 2015 #197

I stay out of the water, with my feet on the ground. MineralMan Jan 2015 #198

And you are content with that situation? kentuck Jan 2015 #199

The progressives I have helped get elected ARE Democrats. MineralMan Jan 2015 #200

First of all... kentuck Jan 2015 #207

So, did you think I was talking about you, then? MineralMan Jan 2015 #239

Secondly.... kentuck Jan 2015 #249

So I wasn't the only one scratching my head over what I thought was obvious lol n/t Sheepshank Jan 2015 #210

I guess some folks tried but they just weren't effective? kentuck Jan 2015 #214

I think it would happen if the POTUS was Michael Steele. Sivafae Jan 2015 #191

Because of demographics YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #218

the GOP did not destroy Obama Enrique Jan 2015 #231

Exactly! Stellar Jan 2015 #250

It's useful to the Party to have Obama constantly criticized from the Right. Maedhros Jan 2015 #234

Interesting concept. kentuck Jan 2015 #236

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I don't think that it is that "the Republicans don't care about the Constitution".. kentuck Jan 2015 #245