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madfloridian

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Wed Dec 31, 2014, 08:57 PM Dec 2014

Robert Redford says time for Dick Cheney to defend himself not on TV but in court of law. [View all]

American Democracy and Torture

And some candid remarks about Cheney.

When U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein recently released the Senate Intelligence Committee report on the U.S. use of torture, like many, I was both moved by her tenacity and shocked by the picture it painted of American democracy. America tortured people after 9/11 and here was the proof. You can debate whether or not it "worked" but it appears in most cases we never tried anything else so we'll never know. You can't debate what a hit this is on the moral imperative inherent in American democracy.

It's no secret that former Vice President Dick Cheney has never been one of my favorites. And I will admit that when I saw him rise again on the Sunday morning shows and other television outlets around this torture report a few weeks back, my first reaction was "Why are they talking to him? Shouldn't he be on trial for violating international law?" So, of course he should have been there. We live in a democracy! And, as he sits square in the middle of this whole controversy I had to admit I was curious as to his reaction.

There he was in all his glory, in all his arrogance, defending torture, or rather enhanced interrogation techniques, such as waterboarding and rectal feeding -- which he said he believed was done for medical reasons. Really? He defended it all. I couldn't help but think that maybe it's time Vice President Cheney move from defending his actions on Fox News and Meet the Press, and be asked to defend it in a court of law.

Let's face it, turning this kind of microscope on our own actions brings with it a lot of controversy, calls that we are endangering or damaging the CIA, or opening a can of worms that is best left closed. The dilemmas of a free society are many, and this is one of them. And the dilemmas of a free society are messy. But we should never walk away from them because of that.
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Amen.... daleanime Dec 2014 #1
Love Robert Redford marym625 Dec 2014 #2
Redford doesn't understand 12D chess Doctor_J Dec 2014 #3
And if he doesn't prosecute Cheney then the republicans WILL work with him? George II Dec 2014 #18
no, but the excuserator doesn't deal with that case Doctor_J Dec 2014 #21
There is absolutely no excuse for torture JEB Dec 2014 #4
All due respect, but how many divisions does Redford command (to borrow a line from KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #5
Yes, he's whistling in the dark, as you say Boomerproud Dec 2014 #13
Apparently we are in the position of having to rely on other nations to bring justice. Maineman Dec 2014 #16
He does run one of the largest independent film festivals (Sundance Film Festival) cascadiance Jan 2015 #25
KingCharlemagne Diclotican Jan 2015 #60
Show me a pole where the majority thinks that torturing an innocent person to death is OK. grahamhgreen Jan 2015 #63
I get and readily concede your point (I think), but I have to tell you that the % of Americans KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #65
Robert Redford has long been one of my heroes. Love him. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #6
Take YOO and Bush too.It DIDN'T work.no debate necessary. easychoice Dec 2014 #7
I always liked ol' Sundance. Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #8
"If he's done nothing wrong They_Live Dec 2014 #9
Hell yes, he is. Maineman Dec 2014 #14
Need we ask ol' "Five Draft Deferments" Cheney if he's chicken? George II Dec 2014 #19
I would love to see a court of law tell HIM to "go fuck himself." calimary Jan 2015 #58
Love the wording..."...saw him rise again..." like the undead. Lars39 Dec 2014 #10
Me, too. madfloridian Jan 2015 #22
why cant we post facebook pics in here? Garion_55 Dec 2014 #11
You need a .jpg or .png extension Rhiannon12866 Dec 2014 #17
Where IS Cheney? Frustratedlady Dec 2014 #12
He's in an undisclosed location, same as he was when America was attacked under his administration. George II Dec 2014 #20
See: "Spider hole" IDemo Jan 2015 #23
One can only hope. eom Frustratedlady Jan 2015 #29
Cheney would never subject himself to such "discomfort." maddiemom Jan 2015 #37
Hanging upside down libodem Jan 2015 #53
Depends on who gets to write (and edit) history erronis Jan 2015 #54
A meatpuppet of sin libodem Jan 2015 #56
R#55 & k n/t UTUSN Dec 2014 #15
Video Dick Cheney would torture again. NBC madfloridian Jan 2015 #24
There has never been a more public and glaring invitation for prosecution than Cheney's sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #26
Your last sentence made me laugh. madfloridian Jan 2015 #27
I think I read somewhere that Satan is more popular than Cheney. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #30
And he gets on TV anytime, anywhere. A media darling. madfloridian Jan 2015 #31
I know, it doesn't make sense. Even the Bushes don't like him, They would probably sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #32
I bet Cheney knows where some of the Bush's ghosts are buried. But I think rhett o rick Jan 2015 #61
He probably has "dirt" on a shitload of people. That's usually how it's done! MADem Jan 2015 #40
Right On, Sabrina 1 Thespian2 Jan 2015 #43
One of my all time fave cartoons, just for you: CrispyQ Jan 2015 #45
Lol! That is funny! n/t sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #49
This may warm your heart. There are polls that suggest the Communist Party is KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #67
Cheney is TBTF, I'm afraid. Must look forward, you know... blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #28
THANK YOU MR. REDFORD Skittles Jan 2015 #33
Happy New Year Sir Redford Joe Turner Jan 2015 #34
It seems like in this era, Bob Woodward should study and emulate Robert Redford... cascadiance Jan 2015 #35
^^^ boy howdy. mopinko Jan 2015 #51
Thank you Robert Redford 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #36
k & fucking r! n/t wildbilln864 Jan 2015 #38
If it ever got to that point, the Cheney family would claim he croaked and was quietly cremated... MADem Jan 2015 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jan 2015 #41
While I don't disagree with what he says, it infuriates me Calista241 Jan 2015 #42
I couldn't disagree with you more. The "Right" controls the media. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #47
Robert Redford - from Wikipedia lunatica Jan 2015 #62
lot of free time when you're a 1%'er Calista241 Jan 2015 #69
Your obvious betterness is a sad thing lunatica Jan 2015 #70
Yeah yeah, i bow down before your and Robert Redford's superiorness Calista241 Jan 2015 #71
I rest my case lunatica Jan 2015 #72
Read it and commented on it at the article last week JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #44
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Jan 2015 #46
K&R. Yes please! Overseas Jan 2015 #48
Denying trial, counsel, and torturing people clearly violate the 5th, 6th, and 8th amendments. tclambert Jan 2015 #50
. libodem Jan 2015 #52
Actually, I'd love to see the trial televised. Not just Cheney but all the participants. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #55
He's right too. n/t Jamastiene Jan 2015 #57
Was Pinochet of Chili put on trial or Franco of Spain or Marcos of the Philippines ? Like the saying geretogo Jan 2015 #59
I think Pinochet died facing prosecution. grahamhgreen Jan 2015 #64
I'm With You 100% Robert colsohlibgal Jan 2015 #66
Cheney Is A Satanist billhicks76 Jan 2015 #68
REC 1step Jan 2015 #73
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