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christx30

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68. If you're referring to

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 10:29 PM

Dec 2014

tasers or pepper spray, people have died from those. And with Mr. Garner's heart, it would have probably killed him.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/are-tasers-too-deadly-be-called-non-lethal-f8C11077668
Would you have been ok with pepper spray?
http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2014/09/man-dies-after-being-pepper-sprayed-during-a-scuffle-with-university-park-police-authorities-say.html/

So I ask again, what do cops do when someone is resisting arrest? Just walk away? Why have laws against selling individual cigarettes? It's because it cuts into city revenue. The cops weren't enforcing any kind of public safety law. It was about protecting pay for the cops and other city services. High taxes are great, as long as you can get people to pay them.
But when someone finds a way around them, like feeding quarters into parking meters to protect people from a fine (the city gets 25 cents instead of $50) you either let it go or you enforce it.

So I'm selling loosies. You catch me in the act, and tell me to turn around. I tell you where to shove that command. You grab for my wrist. I jerk my arm away and repeat my suggestion on where to shove that arrest idea. What do you do now to protect the city's revenue and your own pay check? Do you walk away? Or do you escalate use of force to get me to comply?

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NYT to NYPD: 1. Don�t violate the Constitution. 2. Don�t kill unarmed people. 3. Do your jobs. [View all] kpete Dec 2014 OP

The Grey Lady may be starting to rehabilitate herself in my eyes (after KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #1

Quota based policing usually refers to: Moliere Dec 2014 #5

Ah, I got you. I thought that was something of an urban legend, i.e., that cops were required to KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #6

It's some thing they don't like to admit to.... daleanime Dec 2014 #7

While tickets may not constitute a 'regressive tax' as the phrase is KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #10

I can't speak for the NYPD, but a neighboring community logosoco Dec 2014 #46

If "TAX THE RICH!" still doesn't have enough of a constituency, then certainly KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #48

In San Diego the cops had a quota for field interrogation reports. WHEN CRABS ROAR Dec 2014 #53

Welcome to DU, Moliere! And Happy New Year! calimary Dec 2014 #54

That nickname always gives me pause. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #12

here: niyad Dec 2014 #17

Ha! I knew that sounded familiar! nt F4lconF16 Dec 2014 #21

The B-52 Stratofortress is known as the Unknown Beatle Dec 2014 #52

Well, that too, but that has come to mean all widebody aircraft over the years. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #58

this stuff will be the downfall of the nypd position roguevalley Dec 2014 #23

Paychecks Scarsdale Dec 2014 #45

So, they walk off the job because they can't kill Stellar Dec 2014 #2

Apparently so. closeupready Dec 2014 #9

That appears to be a sticking point for them etherealtruth Dec 2014 #24

Precisely, Stellar. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #38

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Should their poor actions be supported? Should they be allowed to do what they want without uppityperson Dec 2014 #64

If they did their job well Krytan11c Dec 2014 #66

So we want them on the job hfojvt Jan 2015 #70

I think you cut through the B.S. and went straight to the truth. n/t pa28 Jan 2015 #71

I think that the behavior of Lynch, some cops at the funeral, and in general lately have proven Renew Deal Dec 2014 #3

Great Editorial Depaysement Dec 2014 #4

K & R Scurrilous Dec 2014 #8

HOME F**KING RUN! amb123 Dec 2014 #11

Time to clean house... blackspade Dec 2014 #13

Best advice ever. Euphoria Dec 2014 #27

I hope that is what is going to happen. Helen Borg Dec 2014 #56

good advice samsingh Dec 2014 #14

The wealthy are at risk when cops don't do their job Cosmic Kitten Dec 2014 #15

Bingo... Helen Borg Dec 2014 #57

Some in the NYPD think that they can't do #3 unless they can do #2 and #1 would still apply 4lbs Dec 2014 #16

I'm probably going to get yelled at for this post. christx30 Dec 2014 #18

Selling single cigarettes has nothing to do with avoiding taxes bhikkhu Dec 2014 #25

Not entirely true QuestionableC Dec 2014 #36

If the point were to avoid taxes, people could sell packs of cigarettes from Indian reservations, JDPriestly Dec 2014 #39

Well, everything I read indicates that it has TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2014 #59

But is the risk that is taken in buying cigarettes in Missouri, importing and transporting them to JDPriestly Dec 2014 #62

Believe me, I know what lung cancer and TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2014 #69

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Who says they shot Garner? Illegal search and seizure. uppityperson Dec 2014 #67

Cops MURDER someone for breaking this law Krytan11c Dec 2014 #30

So what do you do with someone that breaks the law christx30 Dec 2014 #33

If only Krytan11c Dec 2014 #34

If you're referring to christx30 Dec 2014 #68

Depends a whole helluva lot on which law Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #35

Don't kill him/her lark Dec 2014 #41

Anything other than killing them. n/t gollygee Dec 2014 #47

Don't kill 'em. (n/t) Iggo Dec 2014 #50

I don't use prohibited choke holds that kill people mythology Dec 2014 #51

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he was "breaking the law" by breaking up a fight? Are you SERIES!!!!??? uppityperson Dec 2014 #65

They ARE doing their jobs, which is being the enforcers for the Capitalist Class. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #19

I personally hope the gallant and brave police officers continue with brave their attitude LiberalArkie Dec 2014 #20

Some comments on the editorial are excellent--like this one: tblue37 Dec 2014 #22

I found most of the comments to be right arthritisR_US Dec 2014 #43

The police union is being stupid Gothmog Dec 2014 #26

Nine Terrifying facts about this bloated bureaucracy known as the NYPD. Dawson Leery Dec 2014 #28

Interesting article. Thanks. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #40

What an eye opening article. It will take me a arthritisR_US Dec 2014 #42

NYPD is out of control. Dawson Leery Dec 2014 #29

Somebody needs to rein in the Lynch mob. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #31

It really IS as simple as 1-2-3. hifiguy Dec 2014 #32

In short, to tthe NYPD: GROW UP! JDPriestly Dec 2014 #37

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Dec 2014 #44

Clumsier wording, but I was on board yesterday. Iggo Dec 2014 #49

Wait a minute... Helen Borg Dec 2014 #55