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onenote

(46,228 posts)
15. If you went to law school, you need to ask for your money back.
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 11:56 AM
Jan 2015

As I pointed out, the First Amendment doesn't apply to private speech. So you're right it doesn't apply when a private employer wants to fire an employee.

But it does apply to public employees, as was made clear by Justice Marshall in Pickering v. Board of Education in 1968 holding that speech on a matter of public concern by a public employee, even if critical of a nominal supervisor, is protected by the First Amendment. To paraphrase Marshall, the suggestion that public employees may constitutionally be compelled to relinquish the First Amendment rights they would otherwise enjoy as citizens to comment on matters of public interest proceeds on a premise that has been unequivocally rejected in numerous prior decisions of the Supreme Court.

Finally, to the extent you are suggesting that online communities can implement whatever rules they want regarding the speech of their members, you would get no argument from me, since as I made clear, the First Amendment doesn't apply to private action. But the statement that the First Amendment doesn't apply to online communities is utterly false insofar as it might be read as suggesting online communities have no First Amendment protection against state action: if the government tried to shut down DU, it would face a lawsuit. And it would lose.

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He needs to start firing cops AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #1
The police don't work for the mayor. And the first amendment protects speech. onenote Dec 2014 #4
How rogue must they go AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #5
If you don't thinking booing is speech, what do you think speech is? onenote Dec 2014 #7
Is murdering black guys AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #8
Murdering anyone isn't protected expression onenote Dec 2014 #9
The mayor should fire the commissioner AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #10
Is not doing your job AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #11
Is the DU jury system AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #12
You really need to learn about the First Amendment onenote Dec 2014 #13
The first amendment doesn't apply to the workplace AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #14
If you went to law school, you need to ask for your money back. onenote Jan 2015 #15
If I did these things at work I would be fired AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #16
if you booed the mayor or turned your back on him at an event you attended as a public employee onenote Jan 2015 #17
If we heckled and booed a graduation speaker at work AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #28
maybe yes, maybe no onenote Jan 2015 #30
We would be fired AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #32
You want to impose your lousy working conditions on eveyone else? former9thward Jan 2015 #34
I love my job AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #36
You call booing and turning your back being an asshole onenote Jan 2015 #37
Your FIRED! AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #40
Cool. I win the lawsuit onenote Jan 2015 #42
Most civil service positions have a "code of conduct" requirement. NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #19
Unenforceable if the conduct in question is protected expressive speech onenote Jan 2015 #20
NOPE. NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #22
Show me an example. I guarantee it's unenforceable if applied to booing/turning one's back onenote Jan 2015 #23
Teachers have been fired for making porn films MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #44
Because making a porn film isn't commenting on a matter of public concern onenote Jan 2015 #45
Pretending to comment on a matter of public concern MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #48
and what would that be? onenote Jan 2015 #49
This is exactly right AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #29
It very much depends on the the nature and extend of the speech and circumstances. branford Jan 2015 #38
+1 onenote Jan 2015 #46
The people overwhelmingly elected de Blasio based on his policies, which included POLICE REFORM. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #24
Getting elected by one vote a 10 million votes doesn't immunize one from criticism or disrespect onenote Jan 2015 #27
When anyone threatens a public official, they not only can be fired, they should be fired. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #52
Not saying almost anything you say I'm saying onenote Jan 2015 #53
Staten Island is NYC. former9thward Jan 2015 #35
A great many liberals in NYC just like to pretend Staten Island is not part of NYC, branford Jan 2015 #39
Who does the Police Commissioner report to? nt MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #43
The police commissioner reports to the mayor. branford Jan 2015 #47
Time for a Scott Walker law in NYC, that will only apply to the police "unions" bluestateguy Dec 2014 #2
NYPD Chief Bratton needs to start kicking some NYPD ass or KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #3
Pink Slips 1step Dec 2014 #6
I'd bet this is more about De Blasio and his wife... HipChick Jan 2015 #18
The New York Pigs' scab union needs to be busted. backscatter712 Jan 2015 #21
"Who do you complain to when it's the police THEMSELVES who are the problem?" 1step Jan 2015 #25
keep it up, assholes.. frylock Jan 2015 #26
Time to step down. chickenfairy Jan 2015 #31
hopefully someone other than myself is willing to risk a hide and will tell you where to go... KittyWampus Jan 2015 #33
Ahehe, hehe MrScorpio Jan 2015 #41
I think you meant NYC Cops and righties rbrnmw Jan 2015 #50
Who do you think did a better job? Rhiannon12866 Jan 2015 #54
This was earlier in the week Depaysement Jan 2015 #51
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