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BlueCaliDem

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108. Nothing in your post applies to me or my original post. Again, my argument centers

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 12:39 PM

Jan 2015

on my opinion that it's not unions I'll be focusing on when deciding whether or not or how and when I'll cast my vote in 2016 - and it shouldn't be for most people, either. We should be focusing on the BIG picture: SCOTUS.

SCOTUS is the NUMBER ONE reason to vote strong Democrat in 2016. With this SCOTUS intact, or strengthened by a Republican president should Scalia, Kennedy, and Bader-Ginsberg retire in the next decade, nothing else in this country will matter and Unions will suffer HUGELY.

I repeat: the future makeup of SCOTUS is what matters in the 2016 elections. Everything else, including who or what Union leaders want or don't want is not important, because for all the fight the Unions have put up in order to get employee rights, civil rights, etc, etc, it can all be rendered moot by a Con SCOTUS, as we've already seen with the VRA which will have a trickle-down effect and can actually crush everything Unions have worked hard for.

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Election 2016: Hillary Must Sever All Ties to Obama�s Economic Team [View all] WillTwain Dec 2014 OP

Without unions Dems can't get the White House upaloopa Dec 2014 #1

I hope Trumka sticks to his guns. We need union leadership in a big way. WillTwain Dec 2014 #2

Did I miss the primary election? AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #3

This is a serious development. WillTwain Dec 2014 #4

Your assumption is we can only AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #7

Not at all. she is the presumptive candidate. I think we can win with any of a variety of candidates WillTwain Dec 2014 #8

She is the "presumptive candidate"? Scootaloo Jan 2015 #126

This will be fun to see. Ink Man Dec 2014 #19

Exactly, the key is will Trumka cave? WillTwain Dec 2014 #22

Trumka is assuming, too. WillTwain Dec 2014 #32

You are way off on this. You seem to want H. Clinton to tell you she supports unions rhett o rick Dec 2014 #51

I understand what you are saying. WillTwain Dec 2014 #52

Go stick it 3rd wayers. Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #5

You took the words out of Trumka's mouth. WillTwain Dec 2014 #9

Either way I am not voting for her. Not one of the Architect's of TPP. Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #10

If she wins the primary, you are out? WillTwain Dec 2014 #11

Better a bullet to the head under Republicans, than a slow death by a thousand paper cuts. Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #13

Maybe WillTwain Dec 2014 #14

not sure I'm understanding you...you mean you'd rather vote for a Republican than HC Sheepshank Dec 2014 #18

Naw, WillTwain Dec 2014 #21

Thanks Will. That's exactly what i am saying. Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #24

No. I will stay home Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #23

i won't stay home, because I have other, GOOD Democrats hifiguy Dec 2014 #28

This may be a canary in the coal mine WillTwain Dec 2014 #29

+1 Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #33

yeah...got it. Sheepshank Dec 2014 #44

Lol...whatever. Vote for whom you like. Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #48

whatever shall we do without your usual unwavering supporrt for democrats? arely staircase Jan 2015 #75

That is fallacious reasoniing, reminiscent of the German Communist Party in KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #31

I am not saying we would get a positive change. Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #34

You're a Democrat, right? BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #76

I don't.. sendero Dec 2014 #25

If you think Democrats can win without union support, you have not canvassed or worked on a JDPriestly Jan 2015 #93

Amen to this and to Trumka. hifiguy Dec 2014 #27

What was that about we must vote Hillary or we aren't Dems? Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #6

She is the one who is a quetionable dem. WillTwain Dec 2014 #12

I had alot of people screaming on DU that not voting for her was being a traitor to the Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #15

It is a tough one. WillTwain Dec 2014 #16

SCOTUS seats, not unions, will play the most important part in my decision to vote in 2016. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #78

I agree WillTwain Jan 2015 #81

Have you ever actually volunteered, made calls and walked precincts for Democrats? JDPriestly Jan 2015 #94

Exactly! Katashi_itto Jan 2015 #97

You've misread my post (wouldn't be the first time, JD), but I wasn't knocking unions. I"m BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #99

There are plenty of union members that hate unions. WillTwain Jan 2015 #100

Nothing in your post applies to me or my original post. Again, my argument centers BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #108

You make a very valid point. WillTwain Jan 2015 #113

Great. If you are SEIU, you are one of the people who comes out when elections are near. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #127

Unions don't have that power anymore. Major Hogwash Jan 2015 #158

Did unions strongly support the Democratic candidates in 2014? JDPriestly Jan 2015 #159

" . . . in part thanks to the lack of Democratic support for unions . . . " Major Hogwash Jan 2015 #161

If she wins the primaries, then yes, if you don't vote for her after the majority of Dems BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #77

Bullshit. PowerToThePeople Jan 2015 #106

Tough Call. WillTwain Jan 2015 #107

Yes, we need to reject "the lesser of two evils" but NOT in a general election. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #111

I totally get the drift but, WillTwain Jan 2015 #118

a sickness PowerToThePeople Jan 2015 #120

I am a broken record WillTwain Jan 2015 #121

Uh... BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #156

My, aren't you glib. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #109

glib? PowerToThePeople Jan 2015 #115

How cute! But seriously, you should look up the definition of the word rather than some YouTube BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #128

why don't you take your own advice? PowerToThePeople Jan 2015 #131

I didn't post a YouTube video like some clueless teenager, so how should I "take my own advice"?. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #155

you are not worth any further response on my part PowerToThePeople Jan 2015 #164

Um...take a look at your response to my original comment and then get back to me BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #165

Yep, they are the purity police davidpdx Jan 2015 #88

I will ask you what I have asked others who do not understand the importance of union support JDPriestly Jan 2015 #95

Actually I agree with you davidpdx Jan 2015 #98

Trumka gave a good speech recently in Missouri....I recommend reading or watching it in full Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #17

It is connected. Unions turn capitalist economies upside down. WillTwain Dec 2014 #20

Excellent Point Joe Turner Dec 2014 #56

America was Nirvana WillTwain Dec 2014 #59

Indeed! Joe Turner Jan 2015 #83

Black men are more likely to be union men than whites. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #90

I am sure she will replace all the Citibank types hifiguy Dec 2014 #26

I am sure you know Obama adopted Bill's team in the first place. WillTwain Dec 2014 #30

LOL! The only thing Hillary has going for is whatever ties she can get to Obama. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #35

Can you explain? WillTwain Dec 2014 #36

She voted for the Iraq War. She enthusiastically championed the Iraq War. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #37

Do you think she should tie herself to Obama? WillTwain Dec 2014 #38

Judging by the recent election results of all the Dems who ran from him True Blue Door Dec 2014 #39

Just for discussion sake WillTwain Dec 2014 #40

That's 48% and trending up. AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #58

He got a pop. Good for him. WillTwain Dec 2014 #60

Barack Obama has a great personality. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #96

And cut off her main revenue stream, both for her campaign and her personal finances? Doctor_J Dec 2014 #41

I really do not think people understand the magnitude if this. WillTwain Dec 2014 #42

"I never felt comfortable playing a populist" - Barack Obama WillTwain Dec 2014 #43

the sad part is DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #45

What are the odds that Hill will tell Bill to go to hell. WillTwain Dec 2014 #46

Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #86

My closest and best friends criticize me much more often than acquaintances. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #168

Richard, her neolib Roladex has a deeper bench than her husband's retreads TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #47

Too many think politics is about winning elections. WillTwain Dec 2014 #49

and if you change enough lives, you can win more elections. Doctor_J Dec 2014 #50

FDR used this formula to win four elections. WillTwain Dec 2014 #53

Of course to drive you do have to win elections but you can never lose track of the being a means TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #54

No depth or sense of history. WillTwain Dec 2014 #61

And President Obama has done an incredible job changing lives for the better BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #157

What Trumka ACTUALLY said was ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #55

"I think that Hillary did an excellent job as secretary of state. I think she is very, very Cha Dec 2014 #62

Here is a link to the story. Read it and weep. it cannot be any clearer. Sorry. WillTwain Dec 2014 #65

You weep.. I know what it says. BFD but, yeah.. I know you're "sorry". Cha Dec 2014 #70

What is your trip? Did you read it? Did you listen to the girl? They are done with Obama's economic team. WillTwain Dec 2014 #71

What is your trip? Telling me to "read it and weep" and "Sorry".. Cha Jan 2015 #72

I am tired of the childish ankle biting. Did you read the article. The first word are clear as hell. WillTwain Jan 2015 #73

If you're so tired of "childish ankle biting" then you should really act as role model and practice Cha Jan 2015 #166

He said it verbatim. WillTwain Dec 2014 #63

Other than a verbatim quote, it never happened MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #85

Do you know what "verbatim" means? NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #89

He can't answer your question. Major Hogwash Jan 2015 #160

Oh, my. NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #162

I'd like to see unions take it a step farther using ALL political funds to develop labor candidates. pa28 Dec 2014 #57

Trumka has finally had enough. Obama was the last straw. WillTwain Dec 2014 #67

What a silly thing to say. What are the unions going to do? Wait until she's elected to find out Autumn Dec 2014 #64

I sort of agree WillTwain Dec 2014 #66

Promises? That will do it. 2008. Obama said he was going to do a lot of things Autumn Dec 2014 #68

Don't let Cha or Nance Greggs see your post. They are enjoying Candyland. WillTwain Dec 2014 #69

Stop your "childish ankle biting".. you look silly. Cha Jan 2015 #74

You need to realize: You screw with the bull you get the horn. WillTwain Jan 2015 #79

Unintentional irony is the best kind Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #163

You "cool your jets" and your big ol "bull horn". Cha Jan 2015 #167

What NanceGreggs is interested in ... NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #91

Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #104

I specifically asked ... NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #123

unreal alert. trumad Jan 2015 #124

Thanks, trumad! NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #125

I just got off a 3 month suspension trumad Jan 2015 #129

Well, if you're going to throw around ... NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #133

Wondered where you'd been, trumad.. Welcome back, ya knucklehead! Cha Jan 2015 #150

yep... trumad Jan 2015 #152

Maybe it's the same one? lol or there's more than one of them out there who shouldn't be on juries. Cha Jan 2015 #153

juror 2 must be a deranged fuckwad JI7 Jan 2015 #143

And, doesn't mind showing it off..anonymously of course Cha Jan 2015 #151

Damn, everything was going so good,too. The Ducks won big. Where is the wine? WillTwain Jan 2015 #154

Wrong place nt ucrdem Jan 2015 #101

Serious question. Leaving who exactly? I said nothing about anyone leaving. nt Autumn Jan 2015 #103

We must several all ties to the fucking Koch Bros. Initech Jan 2015 #80

We need to vote for leaders with big bold ideas. Bernie. WillTwain Jan 2015 #82

+1 - Bernie for president! Initech Jan 2015 #84

and when labor went for Reagan how did that work out for them? In fact labor is started going still_one Jan 2015 #87

Anyone who has ever partgicipated in a Democratic campaign on the ground in the final JDPriestly Jan 2015 #92

I have never before failed to vote in a Presidential election . . . snot Jan 2015 #102

Leaving whom exactly? CATO and the AEI? ucrdem Jan 2015 #105

The economy is good. treestar Jan 2015 #110

The macro is good. WillTwain Jan 2015 #119

Clinton abandon Clintonomics? mmonk Jan 2015 #112

Sort of like Ayn Rand joining a union. WillTwain Jan 2015 #114

LOL mmonk Jan 2015 #117

Let's get real ....... She'll run as a populist, just like Obama did....... marmar Jan 2015 #116

Sad Truth and many DUers will rush to support their own assassin. WillTwain Jan 2015 #122

thank up so much for saving us Will. trumad Jan 2015 #130

You are very welcome. WillTwain Jan 2015 #132

Doom and gloom. YAWN! And babylonsister Jan 2015 #134

You are too brilliant to mix with commoners. WillTwain Jan 2015 #135

It is Trumka's help she needs. I am sure you get that. WillTwain Jan 2015 #137

Are you pro-union? WillTwain Jan 2015 #142

Do you mean that "surging", "roaring" economy babylonsister Jan 2015 #136

Where do you get this stuff? Tell me when I said that was not good news. WillTwain Jan 2015 #138

You are aware that Wall Street and Main Street are not connected - no? WillTwain Jan 2015 #139

Babs how about comment 140? Another yawn like Trumka's warning? WillTwain Jan 2015 #141

It doesn't matter what Hillary says Oilwellian Jan 2015 #140

Some people have short memories. Union membership has been in decline and I am very sorry Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #144

Trumka is betting that he still has enough muscle to swing this election. Without unions dems are in WillTwain Jan 2015 #145

I am a union member in retirement, give a lot of credit to unions, was a job steward for years, took Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #146

We all owe much to unions. WillTwain Jan 2015 #147

The unions worked hard for everyone to have minimun wage increases and so many issues which Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #148

I just watched "Matewan" what a great union movie. WillTwain Jan 2015 #149