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MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts) Fri Jan 2, 2015, 02:34 AM Jan 2015

Who's telling the truth: Sanders/Warren, or Obama/Third Way/most Republicans*? [View all]

Sanders and Warren say the TPP would be a disaster. The other folks say it's a big win.

Who do you believe?

*by "Republicans", I mean elected Republicans. Even rank-and-file Republicans have the good sense to know that yet another "free" trade agreement will enrich the few and @#$& the many.

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Who's telling the truth: Sanders/Warren, or Obama/Third Way/most Republicans*? [View all] MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 OP

Not sure I understand how the polls work at DU now senseandsensibility Jan 2015 #1

It worked.... daleanime Jan 2015 #2

Glenn Greenwald? Quantess Jan 2015 #3

No, even better, what does RT.com say? randome Jan 2015 #50

Sanders and Warren are different. Recursion Jan 2015 #4

But OMG!! Bernie isn't a Democrat! tokenlib Jan 2015 #7

he is aligned with dems and if he runs for President he would do so as a Dem JI7 Jan 2015 #8

Well, keep in mind I'm one of those horrible third way corporatist pragmatic types Recursion Jan 2015 #9

I can't help but think of Tommy Carcetti whenever I think of Martin O'Malley JonLP24 Jan 2015 #13

That's why he's second to Schweitzer. We need a farmer in the White House again Recursion Jan 2015 #14

I'm not a big Feinstein fan, but Schweitzer apparently called her a prostitute according to JDPriestly Jan 2015 #16

On behalf of Democrats everywhere, I'd like to thank you MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #28

You mean winning 5 out of 6 Presidential elections? Recursion Jan 2015 #32

A permanent Democratic majority has been acheived MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #33

OT: I've met him, and he's a very good man Recursion Jan 2015 #34

* L0oniX Jan 2015 #65

I demand a Snuffleupagus option. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #5

Looks like Obama/Third Way®/GOP are not doing so hot... AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #6

a disaster for most, a big win for a few n/t Motown_Johnny Jan 2015 #10

LOL JonLP24 Jan 2015 #11

Here's the thing: Maedhros Jan 2015 #12

What would Candidate Obama say about "NAFTA on Steroids"? nationalize the fed Jan 2015 #15

Obama either misrepresented his views during his campaign or he let millions of American JDPriestly Jan 2015 #17

He lied nt Boreal Jan 2015 #20

+1 Scuba Jan 2015 #25

I'd forgotten about that leak. Back then, I thought it was made up. bwa! I never forgot this though~ RiverLover Jan 2015 #18

Best thing about running for something you believe in? F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #77

.... RiverLover Jan 2015 #19

Some say it would be a disaster (including 'most republicans'), a big deal or, Krugman's view, pampango Jan 2015 #21

Your link title- "Only The Strongest Obama Supporters Want Him To Have Fast Track Authority" RiverLover Jan 2015 #22

"... only Democrats that identify as “liberal” strongly favor the idea." pampango Jan 2015 #24

Sorry, I meant *elected* Republicans MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #31

The IP aspects subvert the environmental aspects. joshcryer Jan 2015 #70

I think both sides are embellishing brooklynite Jan 2015 #23

Exactly. Hoyt Jan 2015 #27

Bill Moyers NOW: 'Trading Democracy' - NAFTA WillyT Jan 2015 #29

This should be an OP, WillyT. RiverLover Jan 2015 #30

^^That onecaliberal Jan 2015 #52

Do you have a link to the verbiage of the TPP? NCTraveler Jan 2015 #26

Exactly ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #51

Strange how they want to get it fait accompli before letting the rest of us know what it says. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #55

How is this agreement negotiation process ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #59

Hmmm Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #60

That is not what I was referring to ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #61

That's simply not true. Jim Lane Jan 2015 #67

No because the president is keeping it a secret Doctor_J Jan 2015 #66

"Even rank-and-file Republicans have the good sense to know that yet another "free" trade agreement pampango Jan 2015 #35

It's a bi-bartisan revolt in favor of American workers, farmers, internet freedom, local govt rights RiverLover Jan 2015 #37

It's a "bipartisanship revolt" led by the republican base supported by a minority of Democrats. pampango Jan 2015 #42

Not acc to everything I've read. The prez is hoping the rethugs will help him out by passing this. RiverLover Jan 2015 #43

It is according to what I read and the polls. I suspect the TPP is going nowhere anyway. pampango Jan 2015 #45

Are they pushing hard for the TPP? sendero Jan 2015 #46

Your beef is with the 60% of Democrats who support the TPP, not with the majority of republicans who pampango Jan 2015 #48

There is no "60% of Democrats" who support the TPP brentspeak Jan 2015 #80

"There is a Hart Research poll which shows a narrow 52% of Democrats" support fast-track for Obama. pampango Jan 2015 #81

"in your opinion the Pew organization is a "corporate-sponsored, pro-globalization organization" brentspeak Jan 2015 #82

The Economic Policy Institute, after reading the draft, said if the TPP is agreed to, US will lose.. RiverLover Jan 2015 #36

Of course the TPP kills US jobs. joshcryer Jan 2015 #39

If Sanders or Warren is the nominee, then we have a Republican president. joshcryer Jan 2015 #38

And I know to my core if Hillary gets the nom, we will have a Republican president in 2017. RiverLover Jan 2015 #41

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Jan 2015 #58

Doubtful, there exist no one on the Republican side more qualified. joshcryer Jan 2015 #73

So it's HRC or Republican? sendero Jan 2015 #47

"In that case I'll take Republican." joshcryer Jan 2015 #72

More than I can say for those.. sendero Jan 2015 #74

Same thing they said about Obama. Not true. grahamhgreen Jan 2015 #62

No one credibly said that about Obama. joshcryer Jan 2015 #71

Candidate Clinton to Richardson: ‘Barack Obama Can’t Win' - ABC grahamhgreen Jan 2015 #79

And it wasn't credible, no? joshcryer Jan 2015 #83

She's not a credible candidate, I agree! grahamhgreen Jan 2015 #84

Shouldn't your poll options then read: SidDithers Jan 2015 #40

Sanders/Warren... sendero Jan 2015 #44

I answered "Other" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #49

I chose Sanders/Warren, but.... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #53

President Obama called TPP opponents 'Conspiracy Theorists.' Octafish Jan 2015 #54

Does the AFL-CIO know Obama thinks they're like Conspiracy Theorists? nt RiverLover Jan 2015 #56

What Obama actually said was ... NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #64

'Crazy,' 'Psycho'... Octafish Jan 2015 #78

Politicians + Truth = Oxymoron Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #57

How do you support a secret agreement? I find that impossible to do and why am I being Jefferson23 Jan 2015 #63

Luke/Leia appear to be unaware that their erstwhile senatorial colleague John Kerry ucrdem Jan 2015 #68

TPP is geopolitical. joshcryer Jan 2015 #69

all d's are truthful needed some luv. n/t PowerToThePeople Jan 2015 #75

Mostly Sanders Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #76