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In reply to the discussion: Who's telling the truth: Sanders/Warren, or Obama/Third Way/most Republicans*? [View all]pampango
(24,692 posts)21. Some say it would be a disaster (including 'most republicans'), a big deal or, Krugman's view,
too hyped by all sides.
If the TPP has enforceable labor and environmental standards, as outlined in Obama's negotiating guidelines, it could be a big deal. The only way to get those critical issues included in trade rules is international negotiation and agreement.
If it does not have these standards or if they can be stripped out by republican majorities in congress, Obama would do well not to submit a final agreement (assuming one is ever reached) to congress.
Polls show that the Democratic base supports 'fast track' for Obama while the republican base hugely opposes it.
Democratic support for both treaties is stronger than that of Republicans: 60% of Democrats see TTIP as a good thing compared with 44% of Republicans, while 59% of Democrats look favorably on TPP compared with 49% of Republicans.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/11/07/why-cant-we-all-get-along-challenges-ahead-for-bipartisan-cooperation/
If the TPP has enforceable labor and environmental standards, as outlined in Obama's negotiating guidelines, it could be a big deal. The only way to get those critical issues included in trade rules is international negotiation and agreement.
If it does not have these standards or if they can be stripped out by republican majorities in congress, Obama would do well not to submit a final agreement (assuming one is ever reached) to congress.
Polls show that the Democratic base supports 'fast track' for Obama while the republican base hugely opposes it.
Democratic support for both treaties is stronger than that of Republicans: 60% of Democrats see TTIP as a good thing compared with 44% of Republicans, while 59% of Democrats look favorably on TPP compared with 49% of Republicans.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/11/07/why-cant-we-all-get-along-challenges-ahead-for-bipartisan-cooperation/
Poll: conservative and moderate republicans oppose fast track (for the TPP) by a ratio of 85 percent or higher.
On the question of fast-track authority, 62 percent of respondent opposed the idea, with 43 percent strongly opposing it. Broken down by political affiliation, only Democrats that identify as liberal strongly favor the idea. Predictably, a strong Republican majority oppose giving the president such authority, with both conservative and moderates oppose it by a ratio of 85 percent or higher.
http://www.ibtimes.com/trans-pacific-partnership-tpp-poll-only-strongest-obama-supporters-want-him-have-fast-track-1552039
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Who's telling the truth: Sanders/Warren, or Obama/Third Way/most Republicans*? [View all]
MannyGoldstein
Jan 2015
OP
Well, keep in mind I'm one of those horrible third way corporatist pragmatic types
Recursion
Jan 2015
#9
That's why he's second to Schweitzer. We need a farmer in the White House again
Recursion
Jan 2015
#14
I'm not a big Feinstein fan, but Schweitzer apparently called her a prostitute according to
JDPriestly
Jan 2015
#16
Obama either misrepresented his views during his campaign or he let millions of American
JDPriestly
Jan 2015
#17
I'd forgotten about that leak. Back then, I thought it was made up. bwa! I never forgot this though~
RiverLover
Jan 2015
#18
Some say it would be a disaster (including 'most republicans'), a big deal or, Krugman's view,
pampango
Jan 2015
#21
Your link title- "Only The Strongest Obama Supporters Want Him To Have Fast Track Authority"
RiverLover
Jan 2015
#22
Strange how they want to get it fait accompli before letting the rest of us know what it says.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Jan 2015
#55
"Even rank-and-file Republicans have the good sense to know that yet another "free" trade agreement
pampango
Jan 2015
#35
It's a bi-bartisan revolt in favor of American workers, farmers, internet freedom, local govt rights
RiverLover
Jan 2015
#37
It's a "bipartisanship revolt" led by the republican base supported by a minority of Democrats.
pampango
Jan 2015
#42
Not acc to everything I've read. The prez is hoping the rethugs will help him out by passing this.
RiverLover
Jan 2015
#43
It is according to what I read and the polls. I suspect the TPP is going nowhere anyway.
pampango
Jan 2015
#45
Your beef is with the 60% of Democrats who support the TPP, not with the majority of republicans who
pampango
Jan 2015
#48
"There is a Hart Research poll which shows a narrow 52% of Democrats" support fast-track for Obama.
pampango
Jan 2015
#81
"in your opinion the Pew organization is a "corporate-sponsored, pro-globalization organization"
brentspeak
Jan 2015
#82
The Economic Policy Institute, after reading the draft, said if the TPP is agreed to, US will lose..
RiverLover
Jan 2015
#36
And I know to my core if Hillary gets the nom, we will have a Republican president in 2017.
RiverLover
Jan 2015
#41
How do you support a secret agreement? I find that impossible to do and why am I being
Jefferson23
Jan 2015
#63