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pampango

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21. Some say it would be a disaster (including 'most republicans'), a big deal or, Krugman's view,
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 08:27 AM
Jan 2015
too hyped by all sides.

If the TPP has enforceable labor and environmental standards, as outlined in Obama's negotiating guidelines, it could be a big deal. The only way to get those critical issues included in trade rules is international negotiation and agreement.

If it does not have these standards or if they can be stripped out by republican majorities in congress, Obama would do well not to submit a final agreement (assuming one is ever reached) to congress.

Polls show that the Democratic base supports 'fast track' for Obama while the republican base hugely opposes it.



Democratic support for both treaties is stronger than that of Republicans: 60% of Democrats see TTIP as a good thing compared with 44% of Republicans, while 59% of Democrats look favorably on TPP compared with 49% of Republicans.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/11/07/why-cant-we-all-get-along-challenges-ahead-for-bipartisan-cooperation/

Poll: conservative and moderate republicans oppose fast track (for the TPP) by a ratio of 85 percent or higher.

On the question of fast-track authority, 62 percent of respondent opposed the idea, with 43 percent “strongly” opposing it. Broken down by political affiliation, only Democrats that identify as “liberal” strongly favor the idea. Predictably, a strong Republican majority oppose giving the president such authority, with both conservative and moderates oppose it by a ratio of 85 percent or higher.

http://www.ibtimes.com/trans-pacific-partnership-tpp-poll-only-strongest-obama-supporters-want-him-have-fast-track-1552039
Not sure I understand how the polls work at DU now senseandsensibility Jan 2015 #1
It worked.... daleanime Jan 2015 #2
Glenn Greenwald? Quantess Jan 2015 #3
No, even better, what does RT.com say? randome Jan 2015 #50
Sanders and Warren are different. Recursion Jan 2015 #4
But OMG!! Bernie isn't a Democrat! tokenlib Jan 2015 #7
he is aligned with dems and if he runs for President he would do so as a Dem JI7 Jan 2015 #8
Well, keep in mind I'm one of those horrible third way corporatist pragmatic types Recursion Jan 2015 #9
I can't help but think of Tommy Carcetti whenever I think of Martin O'Malley JonLP24 Jan 2015 #13
That's why he's second to Schweitzer. We need a farmer in the White House again Recursion Jan 2015 #14
I'm not a big Feinstein fan, but Schweitzer apparently called her a prostitute according to JDPriestly Jan 2015 #16
On behalf of Democrats everywhere, I'd like to thank you MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #28
You mean winning 5 out of 6 Presidential elections? Recursion Jan 2015 #32
A permanent Democratic majority has been acheived MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #33
OT: I've met him, and he's a very good man Recursion Jan 2015 #34
* L0oniX Jan 2015 #65
I demand a Snuffleupagus option. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #5
Looks like Obama/Third Way®/GOP are not doing so hot... AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #6
a disaster for most, a big win for a few n/t Motown_Johnny Jan 2015 #10
LOL JonLP24 Jan 2015 #11
Here's the thing: Maedhros Jan 2015 #12
What would Candidate Obama say about "NAFTA on Steroids"? nationalize the fed Jan 2015 #15
Obama either misrepresented his views during his campaign or he let millions of American JDPriestly Jan 2015 #17
He lied nt Boreal Jan 2015 #20
+1 Scuba Jan 2015 #25
I'd forgotten about that leak. Back then, I thought it was made up. bwa! I never forgot this though~ RiverLover Jan 2015 #18
Best thing about running for something you believe in? F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #77
.... RiverLover Jan 2015 #19
Some say it would be a disaster (including 'most republicans'), a big deal or, Krugman's view, pampango Jan 2015 #21
Your link title- "Only The Strongest Obama Supporters Want Him To Have Fast Track Authority" RiverLover Jan 2015 #22
"... only Democrats that identify as “liberal” strongly favor the idea." pampango Jan 2015 #24
Sorry, I meant *elected* Republicans MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #31
The IP aspects subvert the environmental aspects. joshcryer Jan 2015 #70
I think both sides are embellishing brooklynite Jan 2015 #23
Exactly. Hoyt Jan 2015 #27
Bill Moyers NOW: 'Trading Democracy' - NAFTA WillyT Jan 2015 #29
This should be an OP, WillyT. RiverLover Jan 2015 #30
^^That onecaliberal Jan 2015 #52
Do you have a link to the verbiage of the TPP? NCTraveler Jan 2015 #26
Exactly ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #51
Strange how they want to get it fait accompli before letting the rest of us know what it says. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #55
How is this agreement negotiation process ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #59
Hmmm Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #60
That is not what I was referring to ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #61
That's simply not true. Jim Lane Jan 2015 #67
No because the president is keeping it a secret Doctor_J Jan 2015 #66
"Even rank-and-file Republicans have the good sense to know that yet another "free" trade agreement pampango Jan 2015 #35
It's a bi-bartisan revolt in favor of American workers, farmers, internet freedom, local govt rights RiverLover Jan 2015 #37
It's a "bipartisanship revolt" led by the republican base supported by a minority of Democrats. pampango Jan 2015 #42
Not acc to everything I've read. The prez is hoping the rethugs will help him out by passing this. RiverLover Jan 2015 #43
It is according to what I read and the polls. I suspect the TPP is going nowhere anyway. pampango Jan 2015 #45
Are they pushing hard for the TPP? sendero Jan 2015 #46
Your beef is with the 60% of Democrats who support the TPP, not with the majority of republicans who pampango Jan 2015 #48
There is no "60% of Democrats" who support the TPP brentspeak Jan 2015 #80
"There is a Hart Research poll which shows a narrow 52% of Democrats" support fast-track for Obama. pampango Jan 2015 #81
"in your opinion the Pew organization is a "corporate-sponsored, pro-globalization organization" brentspeak Jan 2015 #82
The Economic Policy Institute, after reading the draft, said if the TPP is agreed to, US will lose.. RiverLover Jan 2015 #36
Of course the TPP kills US jobs. joshcryer Jan 2015 #39
If Sanders or Warren is the nominee, then we have a Republican president. joshcryer Jan 2015 #38
And I know to my core if Hillary gets the nom, we will have a Republican president in 2017. RiverLover Jan 2015 #41
^^^this^^^ L0oniX Jan 2015 #58
Doubtful, there exist no one on the Republican side more qualified. joshcryer Jan 2015 #73
So it's HRC or Republican? sendero Jan 2015 #47
"In that case I'll take Republican." joshcryer Jan 2015 #72
More than I can say for those.. sendero Jan 2015 #74
Same thing they said about Obama. Not true. grahamhgreen Jan 2015 #62
No one credibly said that about Obama. joshcryer Jan 2015 #71
Candidate Clinton to Richardson: ‘Barack Obama Can’t Win' - ABC grahamhgreen Jan 2015 #79
And it wasn't credible, no? joshcryer Jan 2015 #83
She's not a credible candidate, I agree! grahamhgreen Jan 2015 #84
Shouldn't your poll options then read: SidDithers Jan 2015 #40
Sanders/Warren... sendero Jan 2015 #44
I answered "Other" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #49
I chose Sanders/Warren, but.... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #53
President Obama called TPP opponents 'Conspiracy Theorists.' Octafish Jan 2015 #54
Does the AFL-CIO know Obama thinks they're like Conspiracy Theorists? nt RiverLover Jan 2015 #56
What Obama actually said was ... NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #64
'Crazy,' 'Psycho'... Octafish Jan 2015 #78
Politicians + Truth = Oxymoron Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #57
How do you support a secret agreement? I find that impossible to do and why am I being Jefferson23 Jan 2015 #63
Luke/Leia appear to be unaware that their erstwhile senatorial colleague John Kerry ucrdem Jan 2015 #68
TPP is geopolitical. joshcryer Jan 2015 #69
all d's are truthful needed some luv. n/t PowerToThePeople Jan 2015 #75
Mostly Sanders Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #76
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