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66. The 2nd doesn't restrict ownership to a militia. It's a "right of the people" just like the 4th.

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 01:43 PM

Jan 2015

In order to call up the population to form militias, they had to know firearms and have them. Colonial militias provided their own arms. Our founding fathers were deeply skeptical of standing armies since most European countries used them to occupy and control peoples.

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The Second Amendment is for everyone — it’s time we armed the children [View all] Katashi_itto Jan 2015 OP

So, when people talk about voting rights and marriage rights they obviously mean Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #1

Wow...that's a real leap there... Katashi_itto Jan 2015 #2

So is the OP article. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #6

Lol...your challenged when it comes to satire aren't you. Katashi_itto Jan 2015 #10

That's not satire. It's an attempt to impose an argument no one is making. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #14

Lol...doubling down..to funny Katashi_itto Jan 2015 #17

Please point out where advocates of the RKBA want gun ownership for minor children. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #22

Lololol... Katashi_itto Jan 2015 #37

Classic! daleanime Jan 2015 #74

Nailed it! mikeysnot Jan 2015 #80

Yes, guns kill. Killing rapists is a good thing and guns are good at it. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #117

And just how many rapists were killed by guns in 2014? mikeysnot Jan 2015 #142

"And just how many rapists were killed by guns in 2014?" Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #144

No I care more about facts of which mikeysnot Jan 2015 #146

You questioned how many rapists were stopped by an armed victim. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #147

"That implies a certain threshold " mikeysnot Jan 2015 #148

"NO, I did not state there was a threshold..." Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #149

Obviously you are here to waste peoples time... mikeysnot Jan 2015 #150

Didn't read the CDC report that said that guns are used for self-defense often and effectively? hack89 Jan 2015 #151

Did you even read what you posted? mikeysnot Jan 2015 #162

So the CDC has a pro gun agenda hack89 Jan 2015 #164

Face palm again... mikeysnot Jan 2015 #167

Like these stats haven't been posted a hundred times already on DU Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #152

Keyword here is... wait for it! mikeysnot Jan 2015 #161

Those are peer reviewed studies. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #166

Show me were they are peer reviewded mikeysnot Jan 2015 #169

"You made a ridiculous claim..." beevul Jan 2015 #155

Not as big as the GUN VICTIMS LIST! mikeysnot Jan 2015 #158

It is a swarm ^^^^^ mikeysnot Jan 2015 #157

Sorry you folks own that, too. tradewinds Jan 2015 #40

None of those children own those guns Recursion Jan 2015 #44

You do not know that. tradewinds Jan 2015 #46

I know that. former9thward Jan 2015 #72

Yes, I do, because I actually know the gun laws in the US Recursion Jan 2015 #122

Whomever owns those guns probably shouldn't be legal owners of guns CreekDog Jan 2015 #124

What's wrong with how the guns are being used? Recursion Jan 2015 #125

Guns are not props either CreekDog Jan 2015 #127

I watched enough meathead Jan 2015 #128

They also believe AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #64

That's what she does! mikeysnot Jan 2015 #79

It's not diversion or misdirection to point out the fact the OP is a straw man. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #116

Projection... mikeysnot Jan 2015 #143

You obviously have no idea what those terms mean. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #145

are you an ostrich? mikeysnot Jan 2015 #159

The OP is claiming, through failed satire, that RKBA advocates would expand gun ownership Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #160

Now your just moving the goal posts... mikeysnot Jan 2015 #163

No, that is the goalpost. RKBA advocates have no desire to expand gun ownership rights to children. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #165

The keyword you use is ownership? mikeysnot Jan 2015 #168

So, in your mind if X number of deaths occur from a thing you want that thing banned? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #170

Just admit it... mikeysnot Jan 2015 #174

We know you're a gun grabber. What is left to discern is WHY. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #175

That was just about as pathetic mikeysnot Jan 2015 #176

Do you actually have an arguable assertion to make or do you just run off at the fingertips? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #177

I'm still waiting to hear yours? mikeysnot Jan 2015 #179

The OP is about grabbers making a straw man argument that pro-RKBA want to arm children. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #180

Are you saying that gun nuts mikeysnot Feb 2015 #181

Please point to the portion of the 2nd Am. that restricts, or allows restrictions based on age. tradewinds Jan 2015 #7

Point to the portion of the 14A that restricts marriage rights by age. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #12

Ain't there. tradewinds Jan 2015 #31

So, then it is your contention that becaue the 2A has no age restriction it is bad? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #53

Why would you even ask such a thing. tradewinds Jan 2015 #59

For the same reason I support marriage age restrictions. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #65

Err... the word "militia" Recursion Jan 2015 #16

Given that, how doyou expand the right to private ownership?? tradewinds Jan 2015 #21

Me? Through the 9th Amendment Recursion Jan 2015 #23

Seeing as the militia must provide its own arms the right of the people Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #24

What is the age restriction outlined in 2nd Am.? tradewinds Jan 2015 #26

The same as the age restriction for marriage in the 14A. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #29

So, you fully support arming 1 and 2 year old children? tradewinds Jan 2015 #32

So, you fully support marriage for 1 and 2 year old children? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #55

No, I do not. tradewinds Jan 2015 #60

I take it you support restrictions on the Right to Choice then? NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #84

Silly, you seem to take as a given that there is such a thing as "gun rights" that areanywhere near tradewinds Jan 2015 #85

So in other words, you're being hypocritical. NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #88

Not a bit. tradewinds Jan 2015 #91

Prove it. NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #93

The proof is on its face. tradewinds Jan 2015 #95

I.E. You got nothing. NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #97

I have everything. tradewinds Jan 2015 #99

Oh WOW! Emoticons! So Convincing! NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #101

Duck!! tradewinds Jan 2015 #103

So the enumerated rights in the Bill of Rights are not really rights? hack89 Jan 2015 #129

Go play with your guns. tradewinds Jan 2015 #132

You are pretty immature for a Constitutional scholar hack89 Jan 2015 #137

Please quit while you're behind. You've obviously lost this debate. Emoticons can't save you. n/t benz380 Jan 2015 #172

Like several of the rights, adulthood. NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #68

point to the specific clause of the second am.. tradewinds Jan 2015 #82

Snark. I'll tell you what - Answer why Children can't vote NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #83

The age of voting is clearly outlined in the constitution. tradewinds Jan 2015 #86

It's in an Amendment, just like the right to bear arms. NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #87

Show me the 2nd am. age restrictions. tradewinds Jan 2015 #89

LOL. Do you really think you're getting anywhere with this? NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #90

Seems to have riled you. tradewinds Jan 2015 #92

Humored me perhaps. NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #94

How dare you acuse ME of being a "right winger" . tradewinds Jan 2015 #96

A little too close to home? NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #98

Advocating??? tradewinds Jan 2015 #100

No. NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #102

.. tradewinds Jan 2015 #105

Yawn. NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #107

Maybe you should take the class. tradewinds Jan 2015 #108

How about some creativity in your insults? NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #109

There may be a reason you see that one alot. tradewinds Jan 2015 #110

I asked for originality, and you just give me retreads. NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #111

Seems more than you can handle. tradewinds Jan 2015 #112

You're going to give up now? NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #114

Give up?? tradewinds Jan 2015 #115

Elvis has left the building...with a pizza. beevul Jan 2015 #156

Truth hurt? eom. GGJohn Jan 2015 #126

Yeah, as if the "militia" portion of the 2nd is still operative, anymore. Paladin Jan 2015 #47

The militia is still in effect. The NG is the organized militia. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #57

So youi have no problem with restricting guns to members of the NG?? tradewinds Jan 2015 #62

The 2nd doesn't restrict ownership to a militia. It's a "right of the people" just like the 4th. NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #66

You didn't read past the post title, did you? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #67

Go read Heller. hack89 Jan 2015 #69

Not familiar with the name Johnathon Swift, are you? Scootaloo Jan 2015 #104

So clever. aikoaiko Jan 2015 #3

Not this stupid nonsense again Lurks Often Jan 2015 #4

Cite the portion of the 2nd Am that restricts gun ownership by age. tradewinds Jan 2015 #8

"militia" Recursion Jan 2015 #15

Nope. Fail. tradewinds Jan 2015 #18

Yep. Recursion Jan 2015 #20

Don't you wish!!! tradewinds Jan 2015 #25

Because "militias" have always, and I mean ALWAYS, had age limits Recursion Jan 2015 #27

Cite the portion of the 2nd Am that supports your claim. tradewinds Jan 2015 #34

For the last time: THE WORD "MILITIA" Recursion Jan 2015 #36

And for the last time, I reject your argument. tradewinds Jan 2015 #38

There's nothing to "reject". You asked where it comes from, I answered. Recursion Jan 2015 #39

You response carriies no wieght of law. tradewinds Jan 2015 #42

Yet age limits on gun owership are the law hack89 Jan 2015 #71

"Militia"? earthside Jan 2015 #56

No. Have you actually read Miller, Heller, and McDonald? Recursion Jan 2015 #123

Hardly Scootaloo Jan 2015 #106

There's no requirement that a "militia" only have over-18 adults. jeff47 Jan 2015 #28

True, but Congress gets to define the militia, and has put age limits there Recursion Jan 2015 #33

Like every other Amendment the Federal & State government Lurks Often Jan 2015 #41

So, further restrictions are OK, too. tradewinds Jan 2015 #45

The gun control extremists haven't had much luck with that Lurks Often Jan 2015 #50

Even Scalia says the 2A allows strict regulations hack89 Jan 2015 #51

You can't be this ignorant of the role the judiciary plays in interpreting the Constitution. hack89 Jan 2015 #70

Are you familiar with the concept of case law? hack89 Jan 2015 #118

Funny, to me they look quite a bit less idiotic SomethingFishy Jan 2015 #119

Those were two horrible, tragic incidents, but also extremely rare. Lurks Often Jan 2015 #121

Dark comedy. They nailed it. RiverLover Jan 2015 #5

Why wasn't that child trained in the proper use of firearms? There are already laws on the books world wide wally Jan 2015 #9

Training on weapons should be mandatory starting at age two, which would prevent such tragedies. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #13

One thing I have heard on this forum from gun folks that is true, sadly, is their point randys1 Jan 2015 #58

Forget about your keys...frustrating, forget about your gun....dead. No weapon is harmless. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #11

* L0oniX Jan 2015 #19

Biting satire. riqster Jan 2015 #30

+10000! Katashi_itto Jan 2015 #49

Children are always in a special category when it comes to legal rights. Yo_Mama Jan 2015 #35

Personally I think at age 2, kids should get rocket launchers. But not marry or vote. Katashi_itto Jan 2015 #75

2 year old kids can have a rocket launcher, GGJohn Jan 2015 #78

(Speaks Slowly) A fiberglass tube with a rocket inside. See, thats what makes it a rocket launcher. Katashi_itto Jan 2015 #133

(Speaks even slower). GGJohn Jan 2015 #134

Lol awww trying to make a funny Katashi_itto Jan 2015 #135

Well, that wasn't my intention, GGJohn Jan 2015 #136

"trying" is the term you missed Katashi_itto Jan 2015 #138

I didn't miss it, GGJohn Jan 2015 #139

Same here I don't give much credence Katashi_itto Jan 2015 #141

Heh... onehandle Jan 2015 #43

Seems the mere smell of gun oil brings them out. tradewinds Jan 2015 #48

Doffuses? GGJohn Jan 2015 #52

Oh,was that your thread?? tradewinds Jan 2015 #73

As I said, GGJohn Jan 2015 #76

Isn't that he purpose of flame bait? nt hack89 Jan 2015 #54

Yep , tragic gun deaths bring out the frolicking anti gun folk aikoaiko Jan 2015 #113

this actually makes a good point.... Takket Jan 2015 #61

Excellent point. eom GGJohn Jan 2015 #63

I agree but no way the NRA would let that happen! nt Logical Jan 2015 #77

At last gladium et scutum Jan 2015 #120

It's not that difficult to take someone's gun out of their holster. randome Jan 2015 #153

It's a lot harder than taking it out of a purse someone isn't even paying attention to. Takket Jan 2015 #154

This thread is fun sarisataka Jan 2015 #81

k&r PowerToThePeople Jan 2015 #130

This thread deserves an award. It's hilarious. Lint Head Jan 2015 #131

Didn't someone post a video where they wanted kids to take stolen firearm to school? ileus Jan 2015 #140

Second Amendment Rights people are trying to make Liam Neeson pay Stellar Jan 2015 #171

People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Jan 2015 #173

You can have my gun when you pry it from the fingers of my cold, dead child. nt mw Jan 2015 #178