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In reply to the discussion: Obama lambasted opponents of free-trade agenda, arguing opponents are ignorant of the benefits [View all]rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)127. A lot of people have looked at parts of the TPP and written about the damage that will be done.
No one has contradicted their arguments.
Re. sovereignty, this is what Sen Sanders says:
U.S. sovereignty will be undermined by giving corporations the right to challenge our laws before international tribunals.
The TPP creates a special dispute resolution process that allows corporations to challenge any domestic laws that could adversely impact their expected future profits.
These challenges would be heard before UN and World Bank tribunals which could require taxpayer compensation to corporations.
This process undermines our sovereignty and subverts democratically passed laws including those dealing with labor, health, and the environment.
The TPP creates a special dispute resolution process that allows corporations to challenge any domestic laws that could adversely impact their expected future profits.
These challenges would be heard before UN and World Bank tribunals which could require taxpayer compensation to corporations.
This process undermines our sovereignty and subverts democratically passed laws including those dealing with labor, health, and the environment.
And Sen Sanders isn't the only one that read the TPP this way.
Also you said, "And bedsides, these disputes would be amongst "corporations"" Not true. Corporations will be able to sue governments including state governments, if those governments take any actions that results in the loss of potential profits.
Swedish utility Vattenfall is suing Germany at the Washington-based International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes over the closure of the Brunsbüttel and Krümmel nuclear power plants.
Vattenfall spokesman Magnus Kryssare declined to confirm German media reports that the Swedish company is seeking 4.7 billion ($6 billion) in damages.
Suing for the lose of potential profits. Germany decided to stop using nuclear power and a corporation can sue them. If you tell a coal company that they have to stop polluting a river, they will be able to sue you (state or federal government).
"Based on the confidentiality rules that apply for the process, Vattenfall cannot give any comments regarding the size of the compensation," Kryssare told World Nuclear News today.
The whole process of the suit will be totally confidential.
And this is just a tip of the iceberg.
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Obama lambasted opponents of free-trade agenda, arguing opponents are ignorant of the benefits [View all]
J_J_
Jan 2015
OP
Insulting, isn't it. And this "trade" deal has a LOT more to it than imagined worker and job
djean111
Jan 2015
#8
The Constitution gives our Congress, that is all future Congreses, the authority
JDPriestly
Jan 2015
#76
He'll be defying republicans (a majority oppose TPP) more than Democrats (60% support it).
pampango
Jan 2015
#40
I suspect even if both had not been signed that it would only have slowed the decline a bit but it
cstanleytech
Jan 2015
#68
The majority of "Democrats are woefully ignorant" because they do not agree with you. Ouch!
pampango
Jan 2015
#75
The Republicans don't support it because THEY DON'T SUPPORT ANYTHING THE PRESIDENT DOES. nm
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#131
He needs to explain how it's different than NAFTA. When NAFTA was rammed thru
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#45
So do you support the TPP? Or will you even commit? At least treestar will debate while
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#128
A lot of people have looked at parts of the TPP and written about the damage that will be done.
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#127
By the way I respect you for at least trying to debate this issue. No one else who supports the TPP
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#129
He is Lucy with the football. Go ahead Charlie Brown, this time we are telling the truth. nm
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#49
exactl;y if we are ignorant of the proposal it is only because you have shrouded it
hollysmom
Jan 2015
#36
so tell us what's in the trade deal obama, maybe we wouldn't be so ignorant if we knew what was
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#13
I see him as believing the American economy is just about the 1%, Wall Street, Dow Jones,
djean111
Jan 2015
#25
Here's what he's doing. He's calling those who oppose it 'ignorant'. Here's how he can
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#27
Exactly. Teach us ignorant peons just how beneficial this agreement will be.
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#62
Probably for the same reason the climate agreement with China, the diplomatic agreement with Cuba,
pampango
Jan 2015
#46
IT management jobs you mean or businesses that offer customer service(by phone)?
Sunlei
Jan 2015
#66
Yes, and while the president is right that "that horse is out of the barn" on low wage labor,
hughee99
Jan 2015
#102
It still may suck as the Corps have owned the USA forever & plenty of Politicians lie to Pres. O.
Sunlei
Jan 2015
#95
The "All or Nothing" people *are* ignorant of the benefits of trade. But it does make good anti-O
Sunlei
Jan 2015
#37
My husband's grandfather had a cattle business that was destroyed by NAFTA.
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2015
#136
AFL CIO are not against this new trade agreement, they're working with the group. Heres a link
Sunlei
Jan 2015
#90
On the TPP: "the publicly available information is concerning for workers"
PoliticAverse
Jan 2015
#120
yes, it is "concerning for workers" that's why I think its a good thing both Unions are active stake
Sunlei
Jan 2015
#133
Okay. Fine then release the document so all of us can read it. And IF there are any benefits for
jwirr
Jan 2015
#47
the blue dogs are leaving big red turds behind... TPP is the biggest fuck you to workers
whereisjustice
Jan 2015
#53
Absolutely. This monstronsity of corporate welfare is not about trade, & will not benefit Americans,
Faryn Balyncd
Jan 2015
#103
"Globalization won't be a bloodless process" and the corporations will need more of your's now
TheKentuckian
Jan 2015
#60
Would like to see Obama actually address Sen. Sanders 10 points against the TPP!
EndElectoral
Jan 2015
#67
The whole thing is secret, so if it is so beneficial why not explain that by showing the deal?
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#69
And pensions were stolen as companies were bought, gutted out and e-mailed to China
JDPriestly
Jan 2015
#70
I defended Bill Clinton to the bitter end on NATA because I KNEW a democrat would defend us
Autumn
Jan 2015
#101
Obama is just plain WRONG about America's readiness to enter into these trade agreements.
JDPriestly
Jan 2015
#98
Don't think of it as "free to screw over the people who got him his current job" but rather
hughee99
Jan 2015
#110