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In reply to the discussion: Dear President Obama, Please shut the f' up about TPP rainbows and unicorns... [View all]RiverLover
(7,830 posts)98. Over $400 mill has already been paid out to corps in a series of investor-state FTA cases
Among the most dangerous but least known parts of today's "trade" agreements are extraordinary new rights and privileges granted to foreign corporations and investors that formally prioritize corporate rights over the right of governments to regulate and the sovereign right of nations to govern their own affairs. These terms empower individual foreign corporations to skirt domestic courts and directly challenge any policy or action of a sovereign government before World Bank and UN tribunals.
Comprised of three private attorneys, the extrajudicial tribunals are authorized to order unlimited sums of taxpayer compensation for health, environmental, financial and other public interest policies seen as undermining the corporations' "expected future profits." There is no outside appeal. Many of these attorneys rotate between acting as tribunal "judges" and as the lawyers launching cases against the government on behalf of the corporations. Under this system, foreign corporations are provided greater rights than domestic firms.
This extreme "investor-state" system already has been included in a series of U.S. "trade" deals, forcing taxpayers to hand more than $400 million to corporations for toxics bans, land-use rules, regulatory permits, water and timber policies and more. Under a similar pact, a tribunal recently ordered payment of more than $2 billion to a multinational oil firm. Just under U.S. "trade" deals, more than $14 billion remains pending in corporate claims against medicine patent policies, pollution cleanup requirements, climate and energy laws, and other public interest policies. Continue reading...
http://www.citizen.org/Page.aspx?pid=5329
Comprised of three private attorneys, the extrajudicial tribunals are authorized to order unlimited sums of taxpayer compensation for health, environmental, financial and other public interest policies seen as undermining the corporations' "expected future profits." There is no outside appeal. Many of these attorneys rotate between acting as tribunal "judges" and as the lawyers launching cases against the government on behalf of the corporations. Under this system, foreign corporations are provided greater rights than domestic firms.
This extreme "investor-state" system already has been included in a series of U.S. "trade" deals, forcing taxpayers to hand more than $400 million to corporations for toxics bans, land-use rules, regulatory permits, water and timber policies and more. Under a similar pact, a tribunal recently ordered payment of more than $2 billion to a multinational oil firm. Just under U.S. "trade" deals, more than $14 billion remains pending in corporate claims against medicine patent policies, pollution cleanup requirements, climate and energy laws, and other public interest policies. Continue reading...
http://www.citizen.org/Page.aspx?pid=5329
FYI,
Investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) is an instrument of public international law, that grants an investor the right to use dispute settlement proceedings against a foreign government.
...Notably, only foreign investors can sue states under investment treaties, and only states can be held liable to pay damages for breach of the treaty. States have no corresponding right to bring an original claim against a foreign investor. Thus, a decision in favour of the State means that the state has not been ordered to pay compensation, not that it has received any compensation from the investor. A state cannot "win" in ISDS in the manner of a foreign investor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investor-state_dispute_settlement
...Notably, only foreign investors can sue states under investment treaties, and only states can be held liable to pay damages for breach of the treaty. States have no corresponding right to bring an original claim against a foreign investor. Thus, a decision in favour of the State means that the state has not been ordered to pay compensation, not that it has received any compensation from the investor. A state cannot "win" in ISDS in the manner of a foreign investor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investor-state_dispute_settlement
Coming to a town near you via TPP?
Check this map to see what corps can sue you, your state or city govt~
. Click here for a full list of companies based in TPP countries that operate in the United States, sorted by congressional district.
= Corporation based in Australia = Corporation based in Vietnam
= Corporation based in Canada = Corporation based in Singapore
= Corporation based in Japan = Corporation based in Mexico
= Corporation based in Malaysia = Corporation based in New Zealand
= Corporation based in Peru
= Corporation based in Brunei
= Corporation based in Chile
Public Citizen, the Sierra Club, Friends of the Earth, and other organizations have called for a different trade agreement model that protects the environment, workers rights, and the public interest. This new model necessitates eliminating or dramatically scaling down the investor-state enforcement provisions of trade agreements which corporations can use to sue governments. Click here for a report outlining this vision.
http://citizen.org/Page.aspx?pid=4083
= Corporation based in Australia = Corporation based in Vietnam
= Corporation based in Canada = Corporation based in Singapore
= Corporation based in Japan = Corporation based in Mexico
= Corporation based in Malaysia = Corporation based in New Zealand
= Corporation based in Peru
= Corporation based in Brunei
= Corporation based in Chile
Public Citizen, the Sierra Club, Friends of the Earth, and other organizations have called for a different trade agreement model that protects the environment, workers rights, and the public interest. This new model necessitates eliminating or dramatically scaling down the investor-state enforcement provisions of trade agreements which corporations can use to sue governments. Click here for a report outlining this vision.
http://citizen.org/Page.aspx?pid=4083
What does Liz think?
...Warren, Baldwin and Markey are particularly concerned with a process called "investor-state dispute settlement," which grants foreign corporations the political power to challenge the laws and regulations of a government before an international tribunal. This nongovernmental court has the power to levy trade sanctions against offending nations. The investor-state dispute settlement regimen differs from those used in World Trade Organization treaties, which allow only sovereign governments to bring trade challenges.
"We believe that the TPP should not include an investor-state dispute settlement process," the letter reads, warning that doing so "would expose a broad array of critical American financial regulations to challenge by many additional foreign companies."
Investor-state challenges were rare before the new millennium, but have become increasingly popular tools for corporations to use when challenging regulations they object to. Under the North American Free Trade Agreement, for instance, companies including Exxon Mobil, Dow Chemical and Eli Lilly have attempted to overrule Canadian regulations on offshore oil drilling, fracking, pesticides, drug patents and other issues.
Unrest over investor-state powers is not exclusively a progressive phenomenon. Free-trade advocate Daniel J. Ikenson of the Cato Institute has argued against the practice, on the grounds that it gives foreign firms an unfair advantage over domestic companies....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/18/elizabeth-warren-trade-deal_n_6350312.html
"We believe that the TPP should not include an investor-state dispute settlement process," the letter reads, warning that doing so "would expose a broad array of critical American financial regulations to challenge by many additional foreign companies."
Investor-state challenges were rare before the new millennium, but have become increasingly popular tools for corporations to use when challenging regulations they object to. Under the North American Free Trade Agreement, for instance, companies including Exxon Mobil, Dow Chemical and Eli Lilly have attempted to overrule Canadian regulations on offshore oil drilling, fracking, pesticides, drug patents and other issues.
Unrest over investor-state powers is not exclusively a progressive phenomenon. Free-trade advocate Daniel J. Ikenson of the Cato Institute has argued against the practice, on the grounds that it gives foreign firms an unfair advantage over domestic companies....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/18/elizabeth-warren-trade-deal_n_6350312.html
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Dear President Obama, Please shut the f' up about TPP rainbows and unicorns... [View all]
whereisjustice
Jan 2015
OP
I am so sick of moderate republicans hiding behind a magic D. They can call themselves
Autumn
Jan 2015
#37
Since when did America get virtuous and all about what it does to other countries economically?
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#30
You raise an interesting issue. Country of origin labelling for meat is being used by America to
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#43
The system required to track each piece of beef is expensive. Instead of guessing the cost, ask
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#113
It's not costly to label it. It's costly to produce it in the US, under minimal standards of
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#104
A uniform safety code is no value if the safety codes in some countries are not enforced.
JDPriestly
Jan 2015
#95
WHAT'S YOUR PIECE HAVE TO DO WITH TPP? WE HAVE A REAL THREAT ABOUT TO BE UNLEASHED. INFORM.
drynberg
Jan 2015
#118
Glad you asked but surprised that you needed. The TPP will cause extreme harm to the 99%.
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#146
voting only means that you approve of the oligarchy system that doesn't really give a fuck about us.
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#107
You know very well that "Underground" refers to our place during the BushCheney regime...
Hekate
Jan 2015
#109
It doesn't say we have to vote for poseurs, people pretending to be Democrats. Democrats
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#142
I think this is a ToS violation, or at least a call to abandon the franchise; but, ...
1StrongBlackMan
Jan 2015
#119
Has this person answered yet? Pretty irresponsible to make that statement and then walk away
randys1
Jan 2015
#126
I can understand ignoring you, you seem to ask uncomfortable questions all the time, who in the heck
randys1
Jan 2015
#130
The post I originally replied to was titled, "Note to DU (especially those who run it)"
markpkessinger
Jan 2015
#86
Thanks. "Especially" is not a synonym for "exclusively;" and the 3 admins are by no means all
merrily
Jan 2015
#153
Exactly. The FFs warned against party politics and we are seeing now what they
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#66
If you believe the FFs warned against party politics, then a Dem forum is about fighting the FFs
muriel_volestrangler
Jan 2015
#131
What did they tell you about why they were ardent devotees? That is the story of the answer to your
TheKentuckian
Jan 2015
#149
Why are you going to ask a stranger about the motivations of your relations?
TheKentuckian
Jan 2015
#164
I am not going to ask that.....I am ASKING why YOU think being a loyal Democrat....
VanillaRhapsody
Jan 2015
#165
But..but..some of those CEOs give money to the party that wants money out of politics!
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jan 2015
#8
Really--i'd like to see it, too....and gee, did we miss the SENATE VOTE on the TPP?
MADem
Jan 2015
#27
No, it has to be agreed to by the White House and then submitted to the Senate for ratification.
former9thward
Jan 2015
#44
From here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6032129
Maedhros
Jan 2015
#32
What is disingenuous about the OP? Do you doubt that the OP sincerely objects strongly to Obama's
merrily
Jan 2015
#76
Hyperbole is both an acceptable device in writing and widely-recognized by readers.
merrily
Jan 2015
#73
Taking a subject seriously or asking for clarification are both different from asking for a link,
merrily
Jan 2015
#150
My new year prediction is . . . the administration's pile of TPP horse manure will grow ever larger.
pa28
Jan 2015
#13
I don't disagree that the President and Rahm have all told liberals to STFU
BrotherIvan
Jan 2015
#34
If it were my OP, I would have chosen other words simply to avoid the semantic argument altogether.
Maedhros
Jan 2015
#50
Yes, especially on this board, the language will be discussed, not the policy
BrotherIvan
Jan 2015
#53
TPP is wrong, disrespect of Obama is not new, here or anywhere. I think TPP is his payback
randys1
Jan 2015
#54
Great you mention that, I remember hearing him say on "hardball" special edition college
randys1
Jan 2015
#64
I'm not saying the post should be hidden and I do think it's important to fight the TPP
BrotherIvan
Jan 2015
#61
I thank this jury also. I personally don't think the language is necessary but I also
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#52
yes, good jury decision, but what an asshole move to alert in the first place,
ellenrr
Jan 2015
#112
Dear President Obama: if the TPP is so wonderful why the dark cloak of secrecy?
99th_Monkey
Jan 2015
#28
There is really no excuse for your ignorance about the TPP, if you are going to post about it,
djean111
Jan 2015
#47
Educate Yourself before you post something. This is not a faith based message board.
Tommymac
Jan 2015
#75
Dear President Obama, Please shut the f' up about TPP rainbows and unicorns...
48lowes
Jan 2015
#139
Compromise is how 10 million people moved into poverty during this administration.
jtuck004
Jan 2015
#90
Shut the what up? I am not familiar with your posts, if you show respect to Obama
randys1
Jan 2015
#68
TPP is a job killing, wealth sucking device to move wages/benefits from American workers into the
blkmusclmachine
Jan 2015
#87
Kick....for all the great links & info above on this thread. here's a few more~
RiverLover
Jan 2015
#93
Over $400 mill has already been paid out to corps in a series of investor-state FTA cases
RiverLover
Jan 2015
#98
And so many of the good liberals here are on board with the cardboard shack too.
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#102
It will also render powerless every evironmental protection regulation . . .
another_liberal
Jan 2015
#115
Like labor unions? 150 Democratic house members last year? All the people ag NAFTA?
RiverLover
Jan 2015
#122
While the people pushing it may be in the minority. The ones funding the pushers exist on both sides
raouldukelives
Jan 2015
#147