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25. Actually, we voted for it. And I for one still want it.

Reply to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 02:17 AM

Jan 2015

Not sure why you are blaming Brown for it.

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California leaders set for high-speed rail groundbreaking Tuesday [View all] Eugene Jan 2015 OP

It WILL NOT be "high speed" rail and will cost enough money to build SIXTY DESALINATION PLANTS. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #1

Nice wiki link you got there citing 3 conservative organizations. Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #3

Damn I HATE when I get p'wned this way... with all kinds of refutations, debunks, and shit... cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #13

I don't waste my time debunking libertarians. And yes, I've driven back and fourth between SoCal and Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #23

Actually, we voted for it. And I for one still want it. Live and Learn Jan 2015 #25

What we voted for is nowhere near what we are getting ripcord Jan 2015 #41

So sayeth the RW propaganda radio stations out here. Live and Learn Jan 2015 #43

i think it's a wonderful idea CatWoman Jan 2015 #42

Anthropogenic Global Warming Codeine Jan 2015 #69

Damn autocomplete! cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #72

I caught and pointed out your questionable usage of the word in my reply to you. Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #74

Oh man, I'm sorry I didn't give you credit for finding it... consider yourself credited. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #81

Thank you. Credit where credit is due. Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #93

"Columbus, you should give up, you're gonna sail off the edge of the earth" tularetom Jan 2015 #4

Man might not have wings, but airplanes do. Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2015 #6

You wanna talk subsidies and you bring up air travel? tularetom Jan 2015 #66

And the subsidies for roads... Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #76

Everybody needs roads, Precious few can even use Amtrak, much less need it. Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2015 #83

3.93 million riders in 2013 on 2 of California's lines Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #88

"Caltrans provides $109 million annually to its cooperative arrangement with Amtrak..." Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2015 #90

Caltrans budget is 10 billion a year. $109M 0.010900% of it's budget. Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #91

And for that they're moving approximately 10,500 people a day Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2015 #97

Similarly, the Bay Area's ferry service has low ridership compared to other modes of transportation. Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #98

I am comfortable asserting there is no intercity travel deficiencies in California Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2015 #99

And as I have pointed out. The unmet regional needs need to be addressed by the region. As did the Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #100

This is a funding issue, not a bureaucratic one. Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2015 #101

The state won't step up until there is a local will to make it happen. It's seems you want all Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #102

No, I just think State priorities should reflect actual needs Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2015 #103

Needs are reflected by the will of the people The people said, "Make it so." Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #104

That's a dangerous line Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2015 #105

I don't have a problem with subsidies, I have a problem with subsidies for trains Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2015 #82

60 desalination would be an even greater boondoggle. hunter Jan 2015 #21

+1 Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #34

You're stuck on burning fossil fuels. I'm not. You're anti-nuclear energy. I'm not. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #47

Nuclear power doesn't excite me much anymore, pro- or anti- hunter Jan 2015 #73

Yeah... tell that to the Israelis. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #59

Nuclear-powered desalination would work just fine. nt Codeine Jan 2015 #70

Getting high-speed rail done is like finally getting the ACA done brush Jan 2015 #65

Waste of money sakabatou Jan 2015 #2

just like roads, airports, bridges, and tunnels! MisterP Jan 2015 #9

*facepalm* sakabatou Jan 2015 #10

chintzing out on one transport type doesn't really leave more money for the others MisterP Jan 2015 #19

I'm not going to play with your childish behavior sakabatou Jan 2015 #40

all right, let's assume that "facepalm" is how one asks for a reasoned, mature discussion MisterP Jan 2015 #77

Hmm... you do have valid multiple points sakabatou Jan 2015 #79

groovy MisterP Jan 2015 #80

Excellent post. Thank you MisterP. Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #87

I don't have trouble getting from Orange County to San Francisco Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2015 #5

Herb Kelleher and his lobbyists made sure, for years, Ron Green Jan 2015 #7

That is a regional issue. The San Francisco Bay Area has done a pretty good job solving that problem Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #35

Another big money pit like the Oakland span of the Bay Bridge. demosincebirth Jan 2015 #8

One of the dumbest projects ever. Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #11

$2 billion???!!! gratuitous Jan 2015 #12

Or... we could pay for 4 desalination plants that would be online in 3 years or less... cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #14

So make your case for that if you can gratuitous Jan 2015 #15

.... CatWoman Jan 2015 #44

People like you, who are more concerned with the legacies of public servants than the public good. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #46

You've certainly convinced me! gratuitous Jan 2015 #68

Good one...nt Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #17

there's a lot of dickering about Central Valley vs. urban-focused MisterP Jan 2015 #20

I have no idea why the first legs can't be in the bay area or LA Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #22

Bay Area up the 80 corridor to the foothills is some of the busiest rail in the US already. LeftyMom Jan 2015 #30

So what stops are you willing to eliminate on that HSR line? You can't have an HSR line and make Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #37

Here's the current route: LeftyMom Jan 2015 #38

Again. HSR is a means of getting to one highly populated transit center to another. Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #45

Fine. My point is that that's one of the busiest rail routes in the country, LeftyMom Jan 2015 #54

Try selling that story to the rest of the world that has highly successful HSR systems. Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #57

I'm not opposed to HSR if it's planned well. The proposed routes are painfully stupid. LeftyMom Jan 2015 #60

If the point of an HSR system is to move the population from one major urban center to another�. Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #94

The rest of the fucking world ISN'T riding a train from L.A. to San Francisco. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #63

3.93 million riders currently using Amtraks pokey long distance train system. Annually. Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #96

There will be express trains with few stops Piedras Jan 2015 #78

The reason it is the first segment starting construction is that it is the first segment that Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #24

Still a dumb route. Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #26

When the routes were being debated, every town nearer to the coast wanted a stop. Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #33

Yes, route 5 is faster but zappaman Jan 2015 #84

We do the same! I love the coastal route. If we have the time, we'll do it in 2 days Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #86

Same with us, but Los Angeles. zappaman Jan 2015 #89

the reason it has been approved by all agencies? It's the first flat part. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #48

And? We just spent close to a billion for a new computer system in LA County. Live and Learn Jan 2015 #27

Whats the computer system do?...nt Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #29

Still to be proven but supposedly a new Welfare and Children and Family services System. Live and Learn Jan 2015 #31

Damn! Thought I was reading a thread on FreeRepublic! Xolodno Jan 2015 #16

Crazy the hatred for mass transportation in this country. Just crazy. Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #28

We're mostly not very good at doing useful, pleasant mass transit projects. LeftyMom Jan 2015 #36

Yep, LA has done a poor job too. Live and Learn Jan 2015 #39

I worked at the OC County Registrar of Voters and rode the Metrolink from Mission Viejo to Santa Ana cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #56

It's not about "mass transportation". It's about a convoluted definition of "high speed rail". cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #49

In 1994, UC Berkeley predicted by 2010 that HSR would divert 15.7 million passengers miles Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #55

LOL I guess they got that wrong... non? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #58

So you are questioning the integrity of Berkeley's scientific analysis but buying the libertarians Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #92

Leading by Example 1step Jan 2015 #18

Good, California leading the way. Live and Learn Jan 2015 #32

I don't, I won't, and that fact means those people who want it will pay more for the privilege. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #50

Fine by me. Live and Learn Jan 2015 #51

No reason you can't meet me NEAR it. You start at the Norwalk Station; I'll meet you in SF cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #53

Well, it will take me quite a while to get to Norwalk. Live and Learn Jan 2015 #61

Just point the gun at my head and pull the trigger... cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #62

So it will take a while to complete and you personally won't benefit. Live and Learn Jan 2015 #64

I know, right? With Cherokeeprogressives attitude, the interstate would never have been built... Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #95

Remember the dumb a$$ teabaggers complaining about the D.C.Metro? yortsed snacilbuper Jan 2015 #52

I hope the construction goes more smoothly than the planning has Recursion Jan 2015 #67

I would be happy with some rail service...high speed is optional. MindPilot Jan 2015 #71

Hopefully it will be on time and on budget like the Bay Bridge! Throd Jan 2015 #75

It could be on time and on budget Brother Buzz Jan 2015 #85