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OneGrassRoot

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142. Well, many do minimize it...

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 05:45 PM

Jan 2015

I've ruffled a lot of feathers recently by repeatedly bringing this up in these various circles. The few PoC were like, "Thank GOD someone finally said something. If we brought it up we'd be the typical angry black person."

So I'm on the outs with many "new economy" people because I put the inherent white privilege in this movement front and center (I'm a white female, btw), yet PoC who don't know me don't trust me. TOTALLY understandable.

I'm not a newbie to race relations (been at it for 40 years), but it's not like I've written books or essays on the topic for my credentials to be verified...lol.

I'm trying to figure out how to cultivate trust across a wider range of people using these intertubes. It all comes down to trust or else whatever is created isn't sustainable, imho.

Nice chatting with you. Take care.

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I read, in another thread, the following statement ... [View all] 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 OP

Replying to avoid jurying the inevitable alerts below (nt) Recursion Jan 2015 #1

hah! "recusion"! unblock Jan 2015 #93

*snort* Recursion Jan 2015 #115

If we want govt to represent we the people... JaneyVee Jan 2015 #2

Who has the backing Sick_of_TP Jan 2015 #30

Kochs don't fund ALL local candidates. MH1 Jan 2015 #125

Been there, done that, and therefore can weigh in... MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #74

Good point, and if someone says they wont vote, please tell me at least you are running randys1 Jan 2015 #77

Those who call for mass revolt generally do not consider the MineralMan Jan 2015 #3

Bingo! Add to this that for any 'revolution' to succeed, a base of at least 3-5% of KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #11

Oh, do you mean "Populists"? Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #13

It's a bit early this a.m. and I'm still working on my first cup of joe, but I don't KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #15

Yeah, caffeine is a lifeline here too Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #17

Ah, no offense taken. (I thought maybe I'd missed some crucial contextual clue.) The historical KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #20

Semantics linguistics tomato tamato Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #24

Before I forget about this post, let me tell you I am a fan now...you wrote that so well randys1 Jan 2015 #59

Interessting observation ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #94

Well, I think the leaders of the original Black Panther Party (the Socialists Huey Newton, Bobby KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #108

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #116

But the unanswered question continues to be ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #18

Look to history. Downwinder Jan 2015 #22

Definitely a valid consideration. An Italian social theorist named Pareto enunciated just KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #26

When the Revolutionary War began in 1776, the declared war. Savannahmann Jan 2015 #41

If you want the military to allow the revolution, you need to convince a lot of them muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #86

+1 n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #98

Really? Savannahmann Jan 2015 #132

You seem to think the nation would revolt with 1 purpose in mind, but you haven't a purpose in mind muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #138

You are making up a false argument Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #61

There are no good answers to your questions, frankly. MineralMan Jan 2015 #110

Bingo! And I would add... PosterChild Jan 2015 #99

Bingo! ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #106

"raising ineffectiveness to an art-form" LOL - Well said. (nt) PosterChild Jan 2015 #109

Seconded. freshwest Jan 2015 #146

Russell Brand is wrong about this. The electoral system is what needs to be done away. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2015 #4

Do you mean the 'electoral college' needs to be done away with? - nt KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #39

yes, my bad. not enough room in the subjectline ... shorthand. but, yes, the ec. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2015 #68

Why doesn't the Electoral college work for us? imthevicar Jan 2015 #80

Russel Brand after all is part of the 1% randr Jan 2015 #5

Good point, while I appreciate people like him making comments that might wake people randys1 Jan 2015 #64

That's some pretty cheap talk about RusseLL Brand, too... MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #83

I have nothing against people of means randr Jan 2015 #127

That assumes that voting is the only chance of bettering your life... MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #147

On the topic of voting? We need to start fighting for voting rights AGAIN. KittyWampus Jan 2015 #6

+1 greatauntoftriplets Jan 2015 #9

I know ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #14

Russel Brand is advocating personal revolution Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #69

Which would imply that voting actually still is important, wouldnt it randys1 Jan 2015 #66

I'll stick with voting. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2015 #7

Not voting accomplishes nothing but allowing marym625 Jan 2015 #8

The idea is nonsense gwheezie Jan 2015 #10

What does it mean to you? Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #12

This being ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #21

So you are asking DU memebers if they belive in voting? Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #32

I am asking if DUers think abandoning the electoral process ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #60

Actually you are tying the "voting" issue to Russle Brands comments Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #65

You seem to be the ONLY one making that accusation/assertion ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #70

You making this personal? Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #81

Ahhh. The escalation! ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #87

Mass Revolt? Umm.... PosterChild Jan 2015 #90

Perhaps you posted this to an incorrect comment ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #96

I know that from your previous posts.... PosterChild Jan 2015 #107

Ahhh, Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #114

You wanted a discription of the world after. The rest of the world would move on. In the USA jwirr Jan 2015 #16

That is my take on what will happen ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #25

Step away from the Tee Vee, for your own mental health Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #34

Do you doubt that if jwirr's vision ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #49

You are using Russel Brand's comments Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #73

You've misspelled Russell Brand's name in three different ways. MineralMan Jan 2015 #111

I think change will come but this way will not bring it about. Actually more involvement is what we jwirr Jan 2015 #46

Hey, 1SBM� Look at this for an alternative point on what humans might do... MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #79

Thanks! I remember that episode. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #82

This is what's likely to happen anyway, revolution or none. . . Triana Jan 2015 #36

Agreed. jwirr Jan 2015 #48

You are assuming that the revolution would be unsuccessful, thereby allowing Republicans KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #43

I do not think this will really happen but it could. Especially if we think that not voting is a way jwirr Jan 2015 #50

I apologize if I seem a bit dense. I don't follow celebrity culture too closely and thus I may have KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #54

That is how I understood it. jwirr Jan 2015 #55

Politics (and power) abhors a vacuum and will rush to fill it. Not voting is the KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #88

I agree. This is one of the issues that I have often gotten into trouble about here on DU because I jwirr Jan 2015 #103

Cosmic Kitten, has been arguing, repeatedly, that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #112

Okay, since we cannot agree on what Russell Brand is saying I went outside DU and googled. jwirr Jan 2015 #117

So the resident Brand spokesman is ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #121

From what I read. He has reasons for his philosophy but I just do not agree with him. GOTV. jwirr Jan 2015 #122

K & R, good post on the outcomes of not voting and allowing the GOP to rule. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #44

Completely true. The Rs have been using abortion, gay rights, etc. to control the vote for years now jwirr Jan 2015 #53

Bravo! mcar Jan 2015 #113

My sig line says it for me TexasProgresive Jan 2015 #19

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #29

I agree with the distrust ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #35

And that thread was either started by a Rove plant or a liberal who hasnt thought things randys1 Jan 2015 #71

This whole thread is so helpful to me... OneGrassRoot Jan 2015 #130

The vast, vast majority of those ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #134

What an excellent point. OneGrassRoot Jan 2015 #135

Thank you for listening (and HEARING) ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #136

Well, many do minimize it... OneGrassRoot Jan 2015 #142

If I can offer ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #145

Yes and no. Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #23

Yes, that's my take a "general strike" Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #37

Sorry- in a general strike, I get up and go to work just like I do every other day NBachers Jan 2015 #119

He is correct. Katashi_itto Jan 2015 #27

Not me ismnotwasm Jan 2015 #28

Need to do both.... daleanime Jan 2015 #31

+1 Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #38

Russell Brand is revolting? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #33

The view that voting does not work is dis-proven by recent history ThoughtCriminal Jan 2015 #40

fuck that noise madokie Jan 2015 #42

All due respect, but voters in '64 chose the peacenik LBJ, only to find KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #51

Well, it survived the block... Atman Jan 2015 #45

Maybe this was a posting by Karl Rove and gang. The GOP is trying every way possible to keep Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #47

The current system should be evolved or replaced, not simply abandoned whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #52

Our Democracy is still in fine shape rock Jan 2015 #56

Would we? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #75

There are several DUer who think voting is a waste of time... SidDithers Jan 2015 #57

Well Sid whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #63

Complaining about politicians is a wast of time... Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #76

+100 !!! Thanks! (nt) PosterChild Jan 2015 #84

people are always calling for revolution on the internet. but it doesn't mean anything JI7 Jan 2015 #58

a general strike would be the best approach IMO nt G_j Jan 2015 #62

Because allowing republicans, even, a single election cycle ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #124

it shouldn't be about the left, it should be the the about the 99%. G_j Jan 2015 #128

lol - beacuse, you know, a populist like FDR or Truman or Eisenhower or Kennedy whereisjustice Jan 2015 #67

I don't agree at all. I think we need to fix what's broken about the voting process. I thnk that DesertDiamond Jan 2015 #72

Other than one poster, who did a good job answering your question, nobody else has... randys1 Jan 2015 #78

I'm halfway there. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #85

k&r for later. Looks like an interesting discussion...n/t ms liberty Jan 2015 #89

The revolt I hope to see, if/when needed, looks somewhat like CaptainTruth Jan 2015 #91

At least in short-run (couple of years), things would likely be worse for "revolters" and others. Hoyt Jan 2015 #92

I think not voting is daft, but I live in Oregon, Brand is British and can comment away on his own Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #95

Russell Brand and his fellow armchair revolutionaries are some of the biggest tools on the geek tragedy Jan 2015 #97

He's a bullshit artist, there's nothing new about his brand of bullshit. Major Hogwash Jan 2015 #129

I'm one who believes in half of it, the massive revolt. Cleita Jan 2015 #100

Good point, there are ways to "revolt" beyond mass chaos and mayhem. Hoyt Jan 2015 #105

Yes, but you have to have the majority of the population revolt with you. Cleita Jan 2015 #118

It's easy to complain Generic Brad Jan 2015 #101

I agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #126

Abandoning the vote will not be effective. Maedhros Jan 2015 #102

Does voting matter? Epiphany4z Jan 2015 #104

Let Russell Brand give away 100% of his wealth, with no prospect of making it back in big chunks. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #120

Doesn't George Carlin says basically the same thing? nt Edim Jan 2015 #123

He's dead. So he doesn't "says" anything any more. MineralMan Jan 2015 #131

I think Carlin made a lot of good (and funny) observations ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #139

I loved George Carlin. He had an amazing sense of humor. MineralMan Jan 2015 #141

We he said he didn't vote, because it's meaningless and I agree. Edim Jan 2015 #144

childish. there is also VOTE & REVOLT. pansypoo53219 Jan 2015 #133

I am a Revolutionary Marxist Odin2005 Jan 2015 #137

How about the "mass revolt" of 100% voter turnout? Could we try that first? McCamy Taylor Jan 2015 #140

Yes, sir! ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #143

I've been trying to get people to do that for years and years... MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #148

Locking this does not meet the SOP for GD Autumn Jan 2015 #149