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Martin Eden

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287. I had no intent to insult anyone, and I'm sorry if my post was misconstrued

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 07:54 PM

Dec 2011

I was being critical of DUers stating they will vote for someone other than Obama in the general election, and I was raising an alarm about the potential consequence.

As it turns out, we're pretty much in agreement on that. Heck, the person who started this thread doesn't even agree with the article! The last line of the OP (the only part written by the DUer):
"John MacArthur proposes a Democratic primary challenge against President Obama which I'm opposed to."

The meaning of my post was exactly the content of what I wrote, nothing more. Where we get in trouble (and spark flames) is when we jump to conclusions based on erroneous assumptions. DU appears to be dividing into separate and often hostile camps -- those who defend & support Barack Obama, and those who have come to see him as an enemy (that may be an over-simplified characterization painted with a broad brush, but I think you'll agree emotions run high against Obama among many DUers).

However, many of us don't fall into either camp. I consider myself a realist. I'm very disappointed in the Obama presidency, but I realize the next president will be either Obama or a Republican. I think it is absolutely imperative for the good of our country that the latter be kept out of the White House.

I think some people here feel so betrayed and/or outraged by some of Obama's decisions that they have lost sight of that imperative.

I apologize if my lack of clarity caused offense or misunderstanding. I was brief in my first post because the point I was trying to get across was (I thought) quite straightforward. I appreciate that your replies have been honest and serious, and I think this would be a better place for all DUers if everyone made more of an effort at understanding before flaming. We are, after all, on the same side (and in the same camp) relative to what we want for our country.

Merry Holidays and Happy Christmas!

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President Obama Richly Deserves to Be Dumped [View all] Better Believe It Dec 2011 OP

This shit again sharp_stick Dec 2011 #1

Lol! n/t RiffRandell Dec 2011 #5

So two "prominent liberals" -- including Barbara Ehrenreich, whoever she is -- pnwmom Dec 2011 #172

Barbara Ehrenreich wrote "Nickled and Dimed" great book @ about the working poor in America. bettyellen Dec 2011 #182

She supported Nader in 2000. libinnyandia Dec 2011 #184

i only know of her from her awesome book. bettyellen Dec 2011 #186

I bet the vast majority of DUers don't know that -- much less the average Democrat. pnwmom Dec 2011 #193

I was familiar with Barbara Ehrenreich years before Vanje Dec 2011 #195

Perhaps hardly a prominent liberal in the major media circuit of talk shows... MrMickeysMom Dec 2011 #204

She has a history of bad influence as noted by her support Maraya1969 Dec 2011 #219

She's a prominent liberal to real liberals. ClassWarrior Dec 2011 #261

I've heard that for years JNelson6563 Dec 2011 #254

Wow, you don't know who Barbara Ehrenreich is? nt valerief Dec 2011 #199

I have known who Barbara Ehrenreich is for years. Plenty of DUers have posted stuff from and about Hissyspit Dec 2011 #224

No truly prominent Democrat is pushing for someone to primary Obama. pnwmom Dec 2011 #233

She is both prominent and widely known to liberals. As an important writer of our era. bettyellen Dec 2011 #260

I bet no more than 10% of DUers could tell you who she is. pnwmom Dec 2011 #288

Sincere thanks to you. n/t emcguffie Dec 2011 #268

Agreed. FarPoint Dec 2011 #7

How is it trollish to support legitamate compitition for the nomination? Ferret Annica Dec 2011 #14

he's the nominee. period. there is not competition. face it. wake up. spanone Dec 2011 #17

The fact the convention and primaries are still scheduled says otherwise. Ferret Annica Dec 2011 #26

i respectfully submit that you reconsider your lack of reality. spanone Dec 2011 #136

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #153

In other words, we're not supposed to exercise our democratic rights. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2011 #177

Thank you, Fantastic Anarchist. Brilliant reply. nt bertman Dec 2011 #201

Thank you, bertman. :) Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2011 #265

I respectfully suggest you improve your command of the English language. emcguffie Dec 2011 #269

I recall Hillary saying the same thing in 2007 SixthSense Dec 2011 #125

Hillary said that? Control-Z Dec 2011 #148

tried to find the video SixthSense Dec 2011 #160

here it is -- AtomicKitten Dec 2011 #196

Was she the Democratic incumbant POTUS in 2007? Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #183

that's what I love about democracy hfojvt Dec 2011 #179

This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers Dec 2011 #23

No, I don't, I support competionion for the nomination within the Democratic party. Ferret Annica Dec 2011 #31

My apologies... SidDithers Dec 2011 #37

Not a problem, I appreciate your passion and commitment to your beliefs. Ferret Annica Dec 2011 #38

First rule of Presidential Elections ... FarPoint Dec 2011 #28

I am familiar with that doctrine Ferret Annica Dec 2011 #33

Well then you better get ready Politicalboi Dec 2011 #81

WTH! Hutzpa Dec 2011 #99

w/everything good he's done you pick one issue and say that's it im done with him leftyohiolib Dec 2011 #124

ok... lemme give you a glass filled with 95% pure water, and the remaining 5% dorksied Dec 2011 #145

and just about every dem... dennis4868 Dec 2011 #232

Ridiculous arguement that apeals to the Black/White mindset of a conservative Thor_MN Dec 2011 #256

So this isn't a democracy. It's essentially a hijacking. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2011 #178

In 1948 Daveparts3 Dec 2011 #240

in 2010 people tried to "give him pause" and we ended up with a house full of repubs leftyohiolib Dec 2011 #112

Simple. The point is... jefferson_dem Dec 2011 #141

I don't think that giving him competition to maybe "give him pause" is wise. Like I asked a gateley Dec 2011 #146

Wise counsel, my friend. Thank you. WheelWalker Dec 2011 #176

Maybe you need to read some history. Primary opponents only weaken an incumbent pnwmom Dec 2011 #173

Probably too young to remember Ted Kennedy primarying Jimmy Carter. Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #185

Cause? or effect? Vanje Dec 2011 #198

Yep... ditto MrMickeysMom Dec 2011 #205

This drivel again... Scootaloo Dec 2011 #243

well said. Whisp Dec 2011 #250

"my guess is that only trolls will appreciate." You got it Number23 Dec 2011 #166

Apparently you have a problem with reality. RC Dec 2011 #16

No I have a problem sharp_stick Dec 2011 #22

You don't think there may be a reason for this "constant regurgitation" of Obama failings? RC Dec 2011 #34

"lot of us that recognize reality", just b/c you call your view reality doesnt make it so. leftyohiolib Dec 2011 #115

What is your stand on Progressive? RC Dec 2011 #131

This is why polmaven Dec 2011 #35

Amen to that! blue neen Dec 2011 #71

Its nice to have a hobby. grantcart Dec 2011 #117

Exactly.......polls now show Obama beating all comers... Historic NY Dec 2011 #220

Agreed. And it's a shame it got 225 rec's, too, and BlueCaliDem Dec 2011 #228

Could not have said it better HDPaulG Dec 2011 #235

Agree HDPaulG Dec 2011 #234

reply uppityperson Dec 2011 #282

copy/paste dupe great white snark Dec 2011 #2

I didn't see it. Well, I'm clearly not the only DU'er who didn't read or see the article. Better Believe It Dec 2011 #9

But having seen it you are the only one that didn't self delete. grantcart Dec 2011 #119

Interesting, the refutations that aren't. tblue Dec 2011 #149

I believe you may be mistaken about that because cstanleytech Dec 2011 #171

Yeah. Buck the establishment until Liberals and Progressives BlueCaliDem Dec 2011 #230

Lather/Rinse/Repeat nt Bobbie Jo Dec 2011 #68

If Hillary, Dennis Kucinich or a real progressive ran in the primary Ferret Annica Dec 2011 #3

Hillary is no progressive. She an Obama are more like bookends. NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #44

You are correct, but it would be a choice people out there would take were it offered Ferret Annica Dec 2011 #50

It would be a meaningless choice though NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #57

That's true. tblue Dec 2011 #150

Yeah cause Pres. Kucinich... surfdog Dec 2011 #63

yes he would have! He'd wave his magic progressive wand and they'd all vote for it! nt Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #187

So true BlueCaliDem Dec 2011 #231

The author of this piffle, John R. MacArthur, blue neen Dec 2011 #70

Somehow I doubt that will make any difference at all. redqueen Dec 2011 #73

Very well said. Number23 Dec 2011 #167

Be true to your "conscience"... A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2011 #79

Hillary? Progressive? Really? stockholmer Dec 2011 #114

Hillary is definitely not a Progressive lunatica Dec 2011 #132

Neither is Obama. Beacool Dec 2011 #188

Hillary should be excluded from this group... MrMickeysMom Dec 2011 #206

LOL, Hillary is a neo-con. harun Dec 2011 #223

Please excuse my word fascist tendencies emcguffie Dec 2011 #270

He holds the '68 primary out as a relevant precedent BeyondGeography Dec 2011 #4

I know -- it's nuts. 1968 resulted in Nixon's election. pnwmom Dec 2011 #175

You're free to Vote for who you like ... Cigar11 Dec 2011 #6

So, you're just posting this article... SidDithers Dec 2011 #8

I post many articles I don't necessarily agree with. Better Believe It Dec 2011 #13

You put me on your ignore list 'cause I proved you wrong... SidDithers Dec 2011 #21

You post "articles you don't agree with" UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2011 #62

Of course I do. I'm the only person who speaks for me. Better Believe It Dec 2011 #64

About myself? UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2011 #74

I wish that I could rec a post. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #104

That's way off topic. Better Believe It Dec 2011 #127

So you're saying, again, that's it OK to hit a woman when she deserves it...nt SidDithers Dec 2011 #129

Guess what. You were on my DU2 ignore list for personal attacks and you're back on it here. Better Believe It Dec 2011 #139

Oh, bitter irony... SidDithers Dec 2011 #157

Respectfully, I disagree. emcguffie Dec 2011 #271

I don't understand why a Harper supporter even has an opinion about our party Dragonfli Dec 2011 #164

ROFL... SidDithers Dec 2011 #211

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #209

Yeah, and what if Hitler was a woman! A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2011 #133

Okay. I think I think I'll title the thread UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2011 #266

lolz Oh snap! JNelson6563 Dec 2011 #255

Indeed, at the end of his SECOND TERM Zalatix Dec 2011 #10

Now THAT is a splendid reply. great white snark Dec 2011 #19

As ProSense Dec 2011 #11

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #155

do we have to look at this headline for another 4 or 5 days? spanone Dec 2011 #12

Oh, absolutely RC Dec 2011 #24

Oh I'm sure the usual suspects sharp_stick Dec 2011 #25

Do you have an ignore button? Use it! Better Believe It Dec 2011 #65

The Presidents Gall ... Cigar11 Dec 2011 #15

"deserving" has nothing to do with it. treestar Dec 2011 #18

Rinse Repeat... SunsetDreams Dec 2011 #20

And in 2016 you will get another establishment Democrat who will say pretty words... rfranklin Dec 2011 #27

Who is Liberal/Progressive enough for you? SunsetDreams Dec 2011 #36

And that is not because liberal policies are not favored by the majority of Americans... rfranklin Dec 2011 #46

When do you expect to elect 60 non-centrist, non-moderate progressive Democrats to the Senate? Better Believe It Dec 2011 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers Dec 2011 #30

Possibly. But the world does not deserve a Republican president. LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #29

Many people may feel that to be true Autumn Dec 2011 #32

Who is this "many" people? SunsetDreams Dec 2011 #41

Gee sorry, I don't have enough time to list names. Autumn Dec 2011 #45

ahh I see several SunsetDreams Dec 2011 #48

I see Autumn Dec 2011 #51

That's fair enough, SunsetDreams Dec 2011 #55

I cannot stand the people he chose to surround himself with Marrah_G Dec 2011 #39

I would rec this thread, but the OP threatens to ignore anybody who even SLIGTHLY disagrees Romulox Dec 2011 #40

Please feel free to disagree. I have no problem with that if you don't engage in personal attacks Better Believe It Dec 2011 #69

Show me the path that a Left Liberal gets elected in the next election. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #95

sad to say, but the game is fixed, there will be no 'left thrust' candidate stockholmer Dec 2011 #123

A pig just flew by my window. FedUp_Queer Dec 2011 #158

I just read this thread. emcguffie Dec 2011 #272

Lost me on the very first sentence - So I call bullshit! gtar100 Dec 2011 #42

agreed Mr Dixon Dec 2011 #54

There needs to be a real Progressive movement in America to push the Democratic Party to the left. matmar Dec 2011 #43

Let's just ignore these redundant, fringe posts frazzled Dec 2011 #47

+1000 SunsetDreams Dec 2011 #49

Agree in theory but some things you just cannot let stand unchallenged. great white snark Dec 2011 #53

I would love to. redqueen Dec 2011 #94

I know: and I often don't take my own advice, myself frazzled Dec 2011 #110

I rec'd it cuz I agree with BBI that we shouldn't primary Obama SunSeeker Dec 2011 #229

More and more, people only read headlines. (nt) redqueen Dec 2011 #237

"Let them believe it, like a religion. It's just a cry for attention" Number23 Dec 2011 #169

SMH Mr Dixon Dec 2011 #52

Failed Presidency? liberal N proud Dec 2011 #56

This has been posted several times emulatorloo Dec 2011 #58

This article was a piece of trash the first time it was posted. Did we really need to see it again? MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #59

There are any number of reasons why this is crap - but Dodd-Frank is the best one bhikkhu Dec 2011 #60

And just like the other 10,000 cookie-cutter "Primary Obama!" pieces Blue_Tires Dec 2011 #61

Yawn. Someone put up a primary challenger and get 'em elected. Hop to. CakeGrrl Dec 2011 #67

Yes, he does. And we all deserve human rights. But it's not a good time to seek either of them. saras Dec 2011 #72

lolz JNelson6563 Dec 2011 #75

You were on my DU3 ignore list for probably engaging in personal attacks rather than civil debate. Better Believe It Dec 2011 #190

"...serious debate and discussion.." JNelson6563 Dec 2011 #194

Hey, you might enjoy this: ProSense Dec 2011 #76

I'm doubling my efforts in your honor to get Obama elected in a landslide. tridim Dec 2011 #77

Yep. The "Click to see who rec'd a thread button" was made for crap like this. Number23 Dec 2011 #170

Why post this shit here Politicalboi Dec 2011 #78

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #82

I think you answered your own question. nt Bobbie Jo Dec 2011 #85

"divide and conquer" emulatorloo Dec 2011 #86

You were on my DU3 ignore list probably because you engaged in personal attacks against DU'ers. Better Believe It Dec 2011 #192

You put me on ignore because I caught you using "selective quotation" to spread disinformation emulatorloo Dec 2011 #225

SOP there... SidDithers Dec 2011 #251

No soup for you! Bobbie Jo Dec 2011 #280

I heartily disagree. emcguffie Dec 2011 #273

And be replaced by what, the lunatic right??!! No thank you!! center rising Dec 2011 #80

I judge Pres. Obama disndat Dec 2011 #83

AMERICA RICHLY DESERVES TO BE FUCKED AGAIN if we lissen to pricks like MacArthur....we gonna insert opihimoimoi Dec 2011 #84

+ 1000 Hutzpa Dec 2011 #87

I disagree with the headline. bvar22 Dec 2011 #88

Excellent post, bvar22 n/t MissDeeds Dec 2011 #98

+1 bbgrunt Dec 2011 #103

I was around in 1968: we dumped the guy who gave us Medicare frazzled Dec 2011 #111

I hated LBJ with a purple passion at that time for The WAR. bvar22 Dec 2011 #144

I also hated Johnson for the same reason as you. And I foolishly believed Nixon when he said he rhett o rick Dec 2011 #281

Good post but I believe that the strategy of Pres Obama is to shun the left and go for the rhett o rick Dec 2011 #143

The Democratic Party Leadership chose to ignore thhe Left in 2000, bvar22 Dec 2011 #267

Problem is, we can't afford to dump him... wial Dec 2011 #244

maybe so, but there ain't no challenge and I'm voting for him. cali Dec 2011 #89

Glad to see the New DU hasn't changed your ways snooper2 Dec 2011 #90

And your viable alternative is ...................??? Martin Eden Dec 2011 #91

'viable' will be one of the words written someday in the obituary of Pax Americana stockholmer Dec 2011 #96

Ending the tyranny of the money-changers will be considerably less 'viable' ... Martin Eden Dec 2011 #105

I would never advocate for the Republicans, but to think that the Democrats as they currently are stockholmer Dec 2011 #113

I don't don't think the Dems will end the banking cartel either Martin Eden Dec 2011 #126

So, what are you saying? emcguffie Dec 2011 #274

I said none of the words you're trying to put in my mouth Martin Eden Dec 2011 #284

No, I don't. emcguffie Dec 2011 #286

I had no intent to insult anyone, and I'm sorry if my post was misconstrued Martin Eden Dec 2011 #287

Well, thank you. emcguffie Dec 2011 #289

at the end of the day, the US sham 2 party system forces you to accept tyranny, pick your flavour stockholmer Dec 2011 #92

Excellent analysis Cali_Democrat Dec 2011 #93

Silly analysis. jefferson_dem Dec 2011 #122

Seems about right. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #137

empiric wars = force projection on a global platform to ensure Anglo/American banker hegemony stockholmer Dec 2011 #180

To look at this from a balanced perspective, The Doctor. Dec 2011 #246

I really agree with you, well put stockholmer Dec 2011 #264

Excellent Analysis. bvar22 Dec 2011 #142

Very well put +1 AnOhioan Dec 2011 #165

"President Obama's rising approval rating: 4 theories" Raffi Ella Dec 2011 #97

There is some truth in the article Pigheaded Dec 2011 #100

Stoke, Stroke, Stroke .... JoePhilly Dec 2011 #101

Oh yeah That deserves audio video accompanyment BootinUp Dec 2011 #239

I find it enlightening to see who recs different threads. eom uppityperson Dec 2011 #102

We are all Democrats. Or most of us. emcguffie Dec 2011 #275

Wow, you read a lot into a few words. No, that is not what I am saying or suggesting. uppityperson Dec 2011 #278

"Good citizens check for duplicates.." Scurrilous Dec 2011 #106

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #135

Well, I for one missed it the first time around. emcguffie Dec 2011 #276

Obama does deserve to be dumped. sulphurdunn Dec 2011 #107

Dumped - with the only electable alternative being a Republican? ehrnst Dec 2011 #108

K&R (nt) T S Justly Dec 2011 #109

Dumped for WHO? Romney? Gingrich? STFU! FarLeftFist Dec 2011 #116

I disagree kenfrequed Dec 2011 #118

Hahahahahaha... jefferson_dem Dec 2011 #120

You were on my ignore list on DU2 due to your personal attacks on DU'ers. You're back on it. Better Believe It Dec 2011 #138

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #140

Too bad for John... brooklynite Dec 2011 #121

This is just silly. Last week he was at 84% among Dems and his ratings are going up. OregonBlue Dec 2011 #128

stop watching young turks medeak Dec 2011 #130

I think Lawrence is the Hannity. tblue Dec 2011 #152

he's the smartest on cable news medeak Dec 2011 #163

Obama has his faults however Pakid Dec 2011 #134

John R. MacArthur can go fuck himself. He's a purist loon. RBInMaine Dec 2011 #147

That's a very powerful rebuttal to the article. Thanks for your insight and knowledge. Better Believe It Dec 2011 #154

Are you? blue neen Dec 2011 #162

Do you think "John R. MacArthur can go fuck himself" is an effective and powerful rebuttal? Better Believe It Dec 2011 #214

At least the post was sincere, which makes it more powerful, IMHO. blue neen Dec 2011 #217

I think "John R. MacArthur can go fuck himself" is an effective Maraya1969 Dec 2011 #222

SSDD BlueMTexpat Dec 2011 #151

isn't that funny eh? dionysus Dec 2011 #161

+1...nt SidDithers Dec 2011 #253

this thread does, that's for sure. dionysus Dec 2011 #156

I just read the latest threads... ElboRuum Dec 2011 #159

Then who? bjobotts Dec 2011 #168

Well, to be honest I not believe he has achieved very much as president cstanleytech Dec 2011 #174

Why doesn't anyone address kurtzapril4 Dec 2011 #181

The sad fact is that everything you said is valid. However, the republicans ARE much worse. There still_one Dec 2011 #208

Thank you for replying, Still One kurtzapril4 Dec 2011 #262

Disagree Taverner Dec 2011 #189

"Failed" is one of the Republican campaign talking points. It's getting to where one can't tell... Honeycombe8 Dec 2011 #191

We will be stuck with someone who doesn't by either party 4dsc Dec 2011 #197

In other words, the American Dream is only a dream. Life is a nightmare. nt valerief Dec 2011 #200

Thank you for posting this, BetterBelieveIt. REC. nt bertman Dec 2011 #202

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #203

Sure do wish unrec would come back. This stinks. I see Pres. Obama the best one in the race! The Wielding Truth Dec 2011 #207

Obviously, especially when you look at the republicans that are running /nt still_one Dec 2011 #210

Absolutly. He is better by miles. The Wielding Truth Dec 2011 #279

Woe! Don't befuddle me with reality... ooglymoogly Dec 2011 #212

right, we would be much better under 8 more years of Republican rule bottomofthehill Dec 2011 #213

Most in DC deserve to be dumped (nt) bigwillq Dec 2011 #215

So if you are opposed to a primary are you hoping for a republican win? Maraya1969 Dec 2011 #216

Hear! Hear! Primary his Wall St. loving ass! Roland99 Dec 2011 #218

Don't forget the birth certificate! JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #221

I'd Dump Him In A Heartbeat If There Was A Viable Alternative colsohlibgal Dec 2011 #226

This is not a "failed" administration; there should be no primary challenge. SunSeeker Dec 2011 #227

When will a real liberal or progressive get off his/her ass and do half as much as Obama or ... BootinUp Dec 2011 #236

The Koch Brothers & Karl Rove DallasNE Dec 2011 #238

Doesn't President Obama always tell us we should "hold his feet to the fire"? Common Sense Party Dec 2011 #241

No DeathToTheOil Dec 2011 #245

How so? Common Sense Party Dec 2011 #263

Bullshit DeathToTheOil Dec 2011 #242

A true progressive could defeat Obama in the primary INdemo Dec 2011 #247

you haven't been paying attention certainot Dec 2011 #249

Can you back that statement up? onenote Dec 2011 #252

Its kind of too late for that, don't you think? Jennicut Dec 2011 #257

this again? why would the pres mention that? certainot Dec 2011 #248

It is not about what Obama deserves. dhpgetsit Dec 2011 #258

Why waste the bandwidth Surya Gayatri Dec 2011 #259

I've been saying this all down this thread. emcguffie Dec 2011 #277

Answer... Bobbie Jo Dec 2011 #283

This message was self-deleted by its author Bobbie Jo Dec 2011 #285