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Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
121. I don't want to click on that link, but I know you are correct
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 12:16 AM
Jan 2015

Zimmerman's story was obvious bullshit, the only people who believed it are the racists who were determined to justify the murder of a black person.

I don't need to click on that link to know that getting your head slammed into the concrete repeatedly is going to do a lot more damage than a couple of scratches on the back of the head.

I really don't know what to say dumbcat Jan 2015 #1
Some people just can't recognize that it needn't be racist to judge that Vattel Jan 2015 #2
It is racism. bravenak Jan 2015 #3
It is racism handmade34 Jan 2015 #6
Bottom line: You don't know whether Martin attacked Zimmerman. Vattel Jan 2015 #10
Bottom line. bravenak Jan 2015 #15
You should be ashamed for your lack of critical thinking. Vattel Jan 2015 #22
I own critical thinking. That's why i'm nice and friendly. bravenak Jan 2015 #28
Yes, unfairly accusing me of disgusting behavior that I should be ashamed of is nice and friendly. Vattel Jan 2015 #42
I accused you of nothing. bravenak Jan 2015 #43
You said, "It is racism that you are defending. And it is disgusting and you should be ashamed." Vattel Jan 2015 #45
It is racism you are defending. bravenak Jan 2015 #47
Lol, okay. So what I was making up, according to you, Vattel Jan 2015 #52
Exactly. bravenak Jan 2015 #53
You're carrying water for an open racist who stalked and murdered a young man Scootaloo Jan 2015 #140
At least unlike you I don't pretend to know things that I don't know. Vattel Jan 2015 #212
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #241
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #246
So should you Kalidurga Jan 2015 #201
I do acknowledge that. Vattel Jan 2015 #211
You should be ashamed---murder one was clearly called for, and should have been charged. msanthrope Jan 2015 #223
*You* should be ashamed Feral Child Jan 2015 #303
You weren't there. Yet 840high Jan 2015 #124
Thank you for your support. bravenak Jan 2015 #125
The only thing I am sure of is that I don't know whether Martin attacked Zimmerman. Vattel Jan 2015 #210
No argument from me. 840high Jan 2015 #224
I try to look at each of this awful cases without judgment cwydro Jan 2015 #240
He is still pretending to be a cop. bravenak Jan 2015 #245
Back in 2001 cwydro Jan 2015 #250
Wow! That must have been hard to deal with. bravenak Jan 2015 #251
I wish I could do it agan. cwydro Jan 2015 #254
If it ever happens again, you probably will report. bravenak Jan 2015 #259
Do you realize ... dawg Jan 2015 #262
That's sweet. cwydro Jan 2015 #265
Trayvon Martin had the right to self defense Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #16
Apparently you know nothing about the self-defense justification in the law. Vattel Jan 2015 #17
So what evidence do you have to prove Trayvon guilty beyond a reasonable doubt? Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #26
Trayvon wasn't on trial. Zimmerman was. There was Flatulo Jan 2015 #71
And the fact that a person can take away another's right to a fair trial is a grave injustice Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #74
THIS!! tosh Jan 2015 #91
With all due respect, you have no understanding of the concept of self-defense, branford Jan 2015 #156
The system is racist and always has been. bravenak Jan 2015 #157
The system as designed is not racist. branford Jan 2015 #167
The system is racist and was designed as such. bravenak Jan 2015 #169
Smug. Feral Child Jan 2015 #186
No, you are the one that doesn't understand the law Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #161
How can an explanation make someone a racist? Rye Bread Pizza Jan 2015 #163
The system works for whites. bravenak Jan 2015 #171
So explaining how the system works is racist? n/t Rye Bread Pizza Jan 2015 #175
Ignoring the racism inherent in the system is racist. bravenak Jan 2015 #176
And blaming the messenger for the message is silly. n/t Rye Bread Pizza Jan 2015 #178
I blame the messenger for an asinine message. bravenak Jan 2015 #179
You are still confusing understanding with approval. Rye Bread Pizza Jan 2015 #182
He does approve of the system. bravenak Jan 2015 #183
Well said! n/t Spazito Jan 2015 #222
You do realize, that based upon your understanding of the law, Live and Learn Jan 2015 #298
Is it self defense to stalk someone, as the armed Zimmerman did Trayvon? Hekate Jan 2015 #73
How about stalked? What Zimmerman was doing was very close to stalking. Follows him in a car jwirr Jan 2015 #96
There is no crime of "very close to stalking," branford Jan 2015 #147
It WAS unsurprising. bravenak Jan 2015 #148
Absolutely Bravenak Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #154
Exactly. bravenak Jan 2015 #155
We are a nation of laws. branford Jan 2015 #162
Black people live under a racist system. bravenak Jan 2015 #164
"You don't have to live black." JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #220
Arrogant as hell! bravenak Jan 2015 #236
We are a nation of racist laws Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #170
A nation of laws that favor one race. We do not advocate for equal justice. I think it was JFK who jwirr Jan 2015 #230
They gloat Feral Child Jan 2015 #188
They sure do love to gloat about it. bravenak Jan 2015 #189
Of course. Feral Child Jan 2015 #216
I recognize the truth in you last paragraph but states like Fla make laws that can be interpreted jwirr Jan 2015 #226
The whole incident started when Trayvon Martin was walking home from the 7-11 gollygee Jan 2015 #19
Absolutely. All we need to do is take a look at the trivial actions that are seen as having a death jwirr Jan 2015 #234
Care to comment on Eric Garner or Michael Brown..................................................... sheshe2 Jan 2015 #27
The killers of Garner should have been indicted. The level of violence was absurd. Vattel Jan 2015 #40
The racist system of laws that we all lived under have determined their deaths to be justifiable... MrScorpio Jan 2015 #257
You wanna know who was lying? brush Jan 2015 #104
Zimmerman got OUT OF HIS CAR cwydro Jan 2015 #276
Vattel to earth! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #294
If Trayvon Martin had been white, GZ would be on death row in FL right now. notadmblnd Jan 2015 #227
Yes, he sure would! bravenak Jan 2015 #231
I will say it straight out, Zimmerman defenders are a bunch of racist shitstains Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #8
Your little emotional outburst is not the same as offering evidence. Vattel Jan 2015 #14
Well you have offered no evidence to prove Trayvon guilty Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #20
I don't know whether Martin attacked Zimmerman. The evidence is inconclusive. Vattel Jan 2015 #25
So does inconclusive evidence warrant the death penalty? Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #31
Now you are just not making any sense. I am done with this conversation. Vattel Jan 2015 #33
Is it really that complicated of a question? Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #38
That's the problem with making it legal for people like Zimmerman to carry guns, Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #60
The problem is people think a gunner's right to kill outweighs every last one of the victim's rights Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #63
"only a racist would believe it is acceptable to shoot down unarmed black people" Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #64
I wish. Feral Child Jan 2015 #190
And you have offered no evidence that Trayvon's death or the trial outcome involved race. nt MadDAsHell Jan 2015 #81
Bullshit, there is centuries of racism that provide plenty of evidence Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #85
Dear CrazyAsHell Feral Child Jan 2015 #191
Best post of the day! bravenak Jan 2015 #195
Thanks, bravenak. Feral Child Jan 2015 #207
Yep. Most of them are. bravenak Jan 2015 #235
Great post and so true!!!! rbrnmw Jan 2015 #208
Thanks, rbrnmw! Feral Child Jan 2015 #214
lol rbrnmw Jan 2015 #215
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #279
Do you think Zimmerman would've followed a white kid? Union Scribe Jan 2015 #209
"It was about race" MadDAsHell Jan 2015 #218
"there are a lot of good people in this world" WTF? Union Scribe Jan 2015 #221
If Trayvon was white, he would still be alive. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #278
very true rbrnmw Jan 2015 #300
did you miss the jurors obvious racism? So much for the "system bettyellen Jan 2015 #29
When a seemingly credible witness stated that Trayvon Martin was on top of Zimmerman, Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #36
It takes a racist mindset to ignore the fact that an innocent teen bettyellen Jan 2015 #39
I think we all, including the jurors, realize that Zimmerman's behavior was despicable. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #41
Nope, some jurors thought GZ had his heart in the right place when he profiled TM for being a bettyellen Jan 2015 #44
Again, I am not defending Zimmerman's behavior. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #49
You refuse to acknowledge the racism in both the trial and the jury room.... bettyellen Jan 2015 #70
OK, if after all that you still believe I am "making excuses for systematic racism", Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #79
White silence to the facts, bettyellen. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #83
Sorry but no rbrnmw Jan 2015 #301
Zimmerman was guilty of murder. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #280
Do you think the witness Jonathan Good was lying? Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #282
Yes. Jonathan Good was clearly a liar and a racist. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #286
What evidence is there that Jonathan Good is a racist Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #290
I'm not on trail. I go by my impressions. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #297
I would have seen it differenrly gwheezie Jan 2015 #58
Question? You as a white man I presume? sheshe2 Jan 2015 #78
I would run away as fast as I could, zig-zagging to make me a harder target to hit (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #82
And if you never had that chance to run? sheshe2 Jan 2015 #84
If for some reason I couldn't run, I would probably put my hands up and beg for mercy. (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #88
Well as a white person that probably would work out well for you. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #98
I was actually already aware that there are racist cops out there, Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #130
Thank you nye for saying that. I truly thank you. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #136
They *relish* the fact that the jurors were racist. Feral Child Jan 2015 #192
neither is yours Kalidurga Jan 2015 #202
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #238
I agree 100% brush Jan 2015 #118
I don't want to click on that link, but I know you are correct Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #121
EXACTLY! nt brush Jan 2015 #127
+1! I agree with you that Zimmerman defenders are a bunch of racist shitstains. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #275
I don't like your name-calling, cwydro Jan 2015 #277
This is not just about Zimmerman. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #11
How in hell can you say DU is silent? cwydro Jan 2015 #274
Of course there are threads, cwydro. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #281
Sorry if I missed your point. cwydro Jan 2015 #283
Are you actually saying that the zimmerman verdict was correct? brush Jan 2015 #89
It is possible to hold the view that Zimmerman is a despicable racist, Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #95
There is a big difference between this case and the OJ case Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #101
Zimmerman did not testify in his trial. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #107
I am not saying he did testify, but his defense was still based on "he had it coming" Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #114
Is it also possible to believe Feral Child Jan 2015 #193
The prosecutor was forced to try an unwinnable case. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #233
Just my opinion, Feral Child Jan 2015 #268
Spot on, but don't expect that to go down well here. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #217
Changing the subject, I see. riqster Jan 2015 #229
Very good job, sheshe Hutzpa Jan 2015 #4
5 things... handmade34 Jan 2015 #5
How does one do #4? oberliner Jan 2015 #13
Stop pretending racism is not racism. bravenak Jan 2015 #23
Education. Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #184
"You boys stop talking while I am teaching" oberliner Jan 2015 #213
Calling black men boy stems from slavery and Jim Crow. bravenak Jan 2015 #239
What if the teacher also calls the white students boys? oberliner Jan 2015 #242
Doesn't matter. bravenak Jan 2015 #243
Fascinating oberliner Jan 2015 #244
No problem. bravenak Jan 2015 #247
This. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #314
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #7
Like you cared before. bravenak Jan 2015 #9
Jury results oneshooter Jan 2015 #90
Thank you. bravenak Jan 2015 #94
Oh, she. Don't you know that racism will go away the SECOND that people just stop talking about it? Number23 Jan 2015 #12
When there are no more poor white people. gollygee Jan 2015 #30
Yes! Get with the program, damnit! Number23 Jan 2015 #37
I see it now! Trickle down social justice! There it is! freshwest Jan 2015 #166
Trickle down justice!! That is a BEYOND perfect summation of too many here Number23 Jan 2015 #180
I was going to respond, but then I remembered PowerToThePeople Jan 2015 #204
"the race card" ?? gollygee Jan 2015 #205
gollygee PowerToThePeople Jan 2015 #206
You know what I see here 23? sheshe2 Jan 2015 #56
If "DU is not reality," why do you invest so much time at this site? SMC22307 Jan 2015 #141
You only seem to show up to mock. bravenak Jan 2015 #144
Times like this~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #145
As President of the Sheshe2 Fan Club, I have to say that your question is out of line. Major Hogwash Jan 2015 #149
Thank you Mr President! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #160
It's mindblowing to me how they find their way here. Major Hogwash Jan 2015 #165
Such behavior is not the best way to make friends. freshwest Jan 2015 #172
I agree, it's not the best way to make friends. So, I don't see the reasoning behind it. Major Hogwash Jan 2015 #181
A 6th sense draws them. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #174
It may not be our business, but it is to our benefit. riqster Jan 2015 #232
Thank you rigster. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #284
"White voices dominate Bay Area protests of racial inequality" Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #18
"don't dominate" doesn't mean "remain silent" gollygee Jan 2015 #24
Sometimes it seems like a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #32
I don't see why it's so complicated gollygee Jan 2015 #34
Why is it "taking over"? How often do whites outnumber blacks at a klan march? Always. 7962 Jan 2015 #59
It can be accomplished ChazII Jan 2015 #86
I think turning out in force is good as long as it's for the right reasons. bravenak Jan 2015 #35
Wonder if any of the deniers JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #55
I want to be like you. bravenak Jan 2015 #66
+1. That's my take as well, KMOD Jan 2015 #103
It really shouldn't be that hard to understand. bravenak Jan 2015 #116
Agreed! KMOD Jan 2015 #120
That is exactly what it is AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #46
Do you actually speak out on the issue? KMOD Jan 2015 #129
Sorry to disappoint AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #142
I'm simply asking for your thoughts on the Eric Garner video KMOD Jan 2015 #151
The person you mention AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #143
The person I mention seems very reasonable to me, KMOD Jan 2015 #152
Bullshit! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #173
Why do you confuse domination with participation? Seems like a very easy thing to understand. bettyellen Jan 2015 #48
The issue is that by their very nature, protests of this sort are hard to micro-manage, Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #50
Attending and supporting is one thing. bravenak Jan 2015 #51
Do you honestly think people are trying to micro-manage how many of each race attend a protest? Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #54
"They want everyone who will support them regardless of their skin color". Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #61
The ones I have been to have been majority white Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #67
Nope. No one said anything about the numbers supporting- just the urge to speak for POC as bettyellen Jan 2015 #68
For too many white people, to "support" *is* to dominate YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #109
If you "listen and do not talk", you are silent. And "silence makes white people racist", Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #122
Who said the only options are to lead or stay silent? bettyellen Jan 2015 #187
The trick is to listen before you talk and Jamastiene Jan 2015 #272
Bravo! Well said, thank you Jamastiene. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #285
the odd thing is there are more white people treestar Jan 2015 #258
There are groups that are largely white that put themselves in front Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #203
K&R Tsiyu Jan 2015 #21
Kick! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #57
K&R DeSwiss Jan 2015 #62
Trayvon Martin was targeted and pursued by predator Zimmerman. He was an innocent child & the loss appalachiablue Jan 2015 #65
End white silence. White silence is why racism continues.. mountain grammy Jan 2015 #69
Great post gwheezie Jan 2015 #110
Very well said. YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #111
Thanks, grammy. Number23 Jan 2015 #123
KnR for the necessity of speaking out Hekate Jan 2015 #72
Why criticize people who don't agree with your assumptions? JEFF9K Jan 2015 #75
Are you here to discuss the issue or to discuss SheShe? bravenak Jan 2015 #76
So should people stay silent and not speak out when they feel wronged? Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #80
Extremely questionable reasoning, logic, and assumptions ... JEFF9K Jan 2015 #97
Which is why it is essential that we criticize the racists who lack reasoning and logic. Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #102
Excuse me? sheshe2 Jan 2015 #92
You are kind of assuming that you are smarter than everyone else ... JEFF9K Jan 2015 #99
I think you are projecting. Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #105
Me too. bravenak Jan 2015 #106
That makes ZERO sense. JEFF9K Jan 2015 #113
I did not expect you would be able to understand, I think others can see it however. Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #116
Because you're not listening. Feral Child Jan 2015 #305
Yikes! Great come back~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #128
Yes, it does. ismnotwasm Jan 2015 #77
so glad i left the lily white burbs. i couldnt stand the small minds. mopinko Jan 2015 #87
This! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #100
no prob she. mopinko Jan 2015 #108
mo~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #131
Thank goodness cool heads prevail here sometimes...(Jury results) ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #146
I wonder if the wrong headed JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #249
oy vey. mopinko Jan 2015 #306
Here's what bothers me about this.... Adrahil Jan 2015 #302
srsly? that has never happened to me. mopinko Jan 2015 #307
Yup. But like I said... Adrahil Jan 2015 #310
I have hope because of the new leaders rising from these protests gwheezie Jan 2015 #93
Apparently a damned if you do and damned if you dont situation davidn3600 Jan 2015 #112
Silence doesn't make people racist, elleng Jan 2015 #115
Unfortunately, a lot of the work of the 60s/70s racial and social justice movements has been undone YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #133
Yes. elleng Jan 2015 #138
thanks for this thread sheshe2 rbrnmw Jan 2015 #119
Yet we knew they would rdrnmw. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #287
yes they always do rbrnmw Jan 2015 #299
STAND YOUR GROUND IS NOTHING MORE THAN LEGALIZED LYNCHING juxtaposed Jan 2015 #126
"Stand your ground" was not invoked in the Zimmerman case (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #132
NO SHIT DO U FEEL IT SHOULD HAVE juxtaposed Jan 2015 #134
It was invoked in the jury instructions Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #135
.... YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #137
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #139
Thanks for the article. F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #150
Please Be Careful... WillyT Jan 2015 #153
Why do I need to be carefulk WillyT? sheshe2 Jan 2015 #313
How is your OP, in and of itself, not racist? flvegan Jan 2015 #158
Well saifd and very important. Kath1 Jan 2015 #159
Thanks so very much for this OP. chervilant Jan 2015 #168
Damn Skippy! nt MrScorpio Jan 2015 #177
... sheshe2 Jan 2015 #288
to be silent in the face of injustice is to be an accomplice (think Nazi Germany) napkinz Jan 2015 #185
Mahalo for these vital truths from xojane, she.. exactly what Martin Luther King was saying all Cha Jan 2015 #194
Bigotry disguises itself in SO many ways, some get an easier pass. Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #196
Thanks, BtA.. I had just changed it when I reread it before.. clicking on your post. Cha Jan 2015 #197
It happens! LOL! Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #198
Yes, Indeed! Cha Jan 2015 #199
One might think it would not be controversial on DU, Cha. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #289
While the liberal organizations and unfortunately mmonk Jan 2015 #200
Arriving late to the conversation.. a thought to those posters feeling darned if they do or don't... salin Jan 2015 #219
Awesome post. bravenak Jan 2015 #260
thanks... salin Jan 2015 #271
Excellent OP! Spazito Jan 2015 #225
K&R and bookmarking to return later. n/t OneGrassRoot Jan 2015 #228
I agree with this in part, but have a question whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #237
What part of the OP do you agree with? Spazito Jan 2015 #248
I agree that silence in the face of any social injustice could be regarded as tacit complicity whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #252
In order to equate those killed in war to what the topic of the OP is... Spazito Jan 2015 #255
The OP makes the claim that white silence to injustice suffered by people of color is de facto racism whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #256
I disagree, it is not germane at all... Spazito Jan 2015 #261
How is the OP's singling out whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #263
Well, it might be best, then, to start your own OP on your issue... Spazito Jan 2015 #264
Maybe I should whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #266
A good start would have been to stick to the issue addressed by the OP instead... Spazito Jan 2015 #267
+100 n/t JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #270
Please answer this Op. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #291
Answer it? whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #292
So your silence is your answer? sheshe2 Jan 2015 #293
I'm not silent about this whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #295
Seriously? JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #253
So much worthy of fleshing out here... OneGrassRoot Jan 2015 #269
Thought provoking gwheezie Jan 2015 #273
Take note which two groups (not just white, BTW) DID respond. Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #296
thank you bta for the full script from adl. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #308
Please see my Post #303 Feral Child Jan 2015 #304
I read that! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #309
WOW! Feral Child Jan 2015 #312
Bookmarked for later. Petrushka Jan 2015 #311
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