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Jim Lane

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34. Are you seriously suggesting that opposition to TPP facilitates institutional racism, etc.?

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:37 AM

Jan 2015

First, you imply that anyone writing negatively about TPP (presumably including Bernie Sanders, the AFL-CIO, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, and the Sierra Club, among others) is engaging in "tail-chasing, navel-gazing speculation". Presumably you refer to the line of argument that wants to exclude any criticism of TPP until the final agreement is made public. It's not just speculation, however, when a draft is leaked -- when the draft is the product of years of negotiation, it's unlikely that the final agreement will be hugely different.

Second, and more serious, is your statement that anyone writing negatively about TPP is motivated by a desire to avoid discussing "institutionalized racism and police violence and militarization stuff." That's ridiculous. Are the people discussing those topics thereby trying to avoid the subjects of reproductive freedom or voter suppression or LGBT rights or etc. etc. etc.? People can address different issues. I've posted more about TPP because I know more about it than I do about institutionalized racism, but I'm glad there are DUers who post more about racism so that I can learn from them.

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If The President Supports The TPP... I Should Support The TPP... [View all] WillyT Jan 2015 OP

I refuse to live without TP, I'm drawing the line RIGHT THERE. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #1

what a charmin' statement! NRaleighLiberal Jan 2015 #3

It's quilted. If it ain't quilted I'M OUT OF HERE! NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #4

Great SCOTT - you aren't serious? NRaleighLiberal Jan 2015 #6

You're on a roll! Takket Jan 2015 #5

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I don't support TPP. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #2

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Hell no. 840high Jan 2015 #8

No point in this poll.... beerandjesus Jan 2015 #9

Ironically Rand Paul supports fast track approval of the TPP nationalize the fed Jan 2015 #14

And Michele Bachmann and Louie Gohmert oppose it. pampango Jan 2015 #25

Clearly he knows on which side his bread is buttered. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2015 #29

Well, sure he does - the TPP and other agreements like it will speed up his goal djean111 Jan 2015 #30

Said no one Jeff Rosenzweig Jan 2015 #11

There's still recs to be counted in the DU DAMN YOU OBAMAAAA!!!1 allegedly anti-TPP parade Number23 Jan 2015 #13

True. Jeff Rosenzweig Jan 2015 #15

Whooo boy, you fucking NAILED. IT. Number23 Jan 2015 #16

Actually, some of your comments today opened my eyes to it. Jeff Rosenzweig Jan 2015 #17

17,000 posts, and you haven't seen anything about police militarization? beerandjesus Jan 2015 #39

I'm sorry, is police militarization and police brutality the same thing? Number23 Jan 2015 #56

Completely irrelevant response. Nice hysteria, though. beerandjesus Jan 2015 #59

"we actual liberals" does it hurt to pat yourself on the back so hard?? Number23 Jan 2015 #60

Funny, we get called the "TeaLeft"... but you're happy to stand by naked falsehoods! beerandjesus Jan 2015 #61

You need to stay focused Number23 Jan 2015 #63

Does it really feel that good to just pretend everyone else is racist? beerandjesus Jan 2015 #64

Sweet Jesus. You could absolutely NOT have proven my initial Number23 Jan 2015 #66

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He's got 80 posts. Feral Child Jan 2015 #32

He's been here for over twelve years. QC Jan 2015 #42

Understood. Feral Child Jan 2015 #45

It is an important topic, FC. And I've been loving your posts on the issue Number23 Jan 2015 #58

Thanks, #23. Feral Child Jan 2015 #67

Are you seriously suggesting that opposition to TPP facilitates institutional racism, etc.? Jim Lane Jan 2015 #34

+1....along with most Democrats in congress. RiverLover Jan 2015 #37

What a perverse--and unfounded--accusation against other DUers beerandjesus Jan 2015 #36

Funny thing is those among us that favor the TPP never want to debate the issue. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #48

Oh come one! Name one single poster here who defends President Obama when he goes against their core Douglas Carpenter Jan 2015 #12

I'm not convinced they have core principles. nt Union Scribe Jan 2015 #19

That would be a stupid reason to support the TPP Recursion Jan 2015 #20

For being "meh" on it Union Scribe Jan 2015 #27

Not really, I just find the hair-on-fire stuff tiresome, and call it out Recursion Jan 2015 #28

As I recall you like that OrwellwasRight Jan 2015 #44

And pushing the memes of such policies' backers. Marr Jan 2015 #62

If we disagree one of us must be motivated by blind support for or opposition to Obama? pampango Jan 2015 #22

You are braver than I. joshcryer Jan 2015 #26

Boy, do I wish I were seeing more of this in these threads... beerandjesus Jan 2015 #35

^^This^^ 2naSalit Jan 2015 #40

that seems to be true treestar Jan 2015 #50

That works both ways. In fact those that oppose the TPP are willing to debate the rhett o rick Jan 2015 #54

Indeed it does. That is what I meant to say. pampango Jan 2015 #55

Just like NAFTA, republicans will pass it, then sit on their hemorrhoid asses and point B Calm Jan 2015 #23

No (nt) bigwillq Jan 2015 #24

He gets the benefit of the doubt. randome Jan 2015 #31

Don't just give him the benefit of the doubt. OrwellwasRight Jan 2015 #43

No rock Jan 2015 #33

it doesn't make a micron of difference what our opinions are. librechik Jan 2015 #38

This is no more true than OrwellwasRight Jan 2015 #41

ROFLMAO... I just came out of Manny's thread on the TPP SomethingFishy Jan 2015 #46

Nobody said that treestar Jan 2015 #49

Well, I hope you aren't calling the Democrats in Congress 'defeatist' fringe. RiverLover Jan 2015 #52

Much more complex questions treestar Jan 2015 #53

No is not strong enough....no fucking way. Not now. Not ever. yourout Jan 2015 #51

Why are we shitting on the Heartland? Did they withhold cheese and milk again? Rex Jan 2015 #65