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In reply to the discussion: After A Year Without God, Former Pastor Ryan Bell No Longer Believes [View all]Orrex
(67,189 posts)74. That is not my claim at all, so I have no reason to defend that claim.
I have stated repeatedly that I defer to the Hosts. If he Hosts determine that the discussion is out of place, I trust that they will lock it. If I post something that is considered unacceptable, I trust that a jury will hide it.
Nothing about my position can be paraphrased as "I should be able to say whatever I like." Why would you misrepresent my position in this way?
Also please be clear about something - I have what i consider to be evidence for the existence of God; it's just not demonstrable to you. I understand that my beliefs make me childish and arrogant in your eyes.
What is the nature of this evidence? Because I would assert that evidence that can't be demonstrated isn't evidence. Revelation, for instance, is not evidence. Personal reflection is not evidence.
Unique perception is not evidence. Internal realization is not evidence. Special insight is not evidence. More specifically, it is anecdotal testimony and far from compelling. And if you would suggest--as you have--that the existence of your God has a direct bearing upon me, then compelling evidence is indeed required.
As I've stated, a belief is childlike if it persists despite demonstrable/empirical evidence for that thing. The fact that you believe in something in the absence of evidence doesn't make that belief arrogant, though the particular nature of that belief and what it entails for others can certainly do so. Since you profess knowledge of God and the fact of his plan for me, but for which you can present no evidence, I find that belief to be arrogant.
Would you prefer that I use the term "empirical" rather than "demonstrable?" I'm comfortable with that restatement, if you are.
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After A Year Without God, Former Pastor Ryan Bell No Longer Believes [View all]
damnedifIknow
Jan 2015
OP
Why does this belong in the General Discussion forum rather than the religion forum? nt
el_bryanto
Jan 2015
#2
You should visit the religion forum if you think that it doesn't discuss this kind of story
el_bryanto
Jan 2015
#5
Why do the rules for General Discussion impose restrictions on posts about religion?
el_bryanto
Jan 2015
#13
You should visit the religion forum - it is dominated by people who talk about their lack of belief
el_bryanto
Jan 2015
#90
I see a lot of religious people arguing for the stifling of criticism of or negativity about
Arugula Latte
Jan 2015
#53
I suspect he was very skeptical when he started. Then he had this "revelation."
immoderate
Jan 2015
#10
That could describe agnostics as well as atheists as well as those who simply don't give a damn.
randome
Jan 2015
#59
Great Literature never tried to define God, since he was beyond human conception.
TheBlackAdder
Jan 2015
#83
sadly, this person's initial and subsequent concept of God is quite childlike
KittyWampus
Jan 2015
#11
OK - so you would characterize DU Believers as Childlike, if they believe in a God.
el_bryanto
Jan 2015
#33
If they can provide evidence to justify that belief, then I will be happy to hear it.
Orrex
Jan 2015
#36
Do you think this sort of back and forth belongs in General Discussion or in the Religion Forum?
el_bryanto
Jan 2015
#39
I think it's wrong in a public forum - where the are DU believers and DU atheists
el_bryanto
Jan 2015
#56
So because I'm not required to participate in GD you should able to say whatever you like?
el_bryanto
Jan 2015
#72
You are right - having made my point earlier - i should shut up and discontinue this conversation nt
el_bryanto
Jan 2015
#91
The SO of a friend of ours confided in me that she prays to the Virgin every day.
CTyankee
Jan 2015
#25
If someone tells me that they draw comfort from such belief, I don't contradict them.
Orrex
Jan 2015
#32
Yes. She wasn't proselytizing in the least. She was saying it simply and sincerely.
CTyankee
Jan 2015
#37
well, I was a bit surprised that this came up at a tailgate in the Yale Bowl's parking lot...
CTyankee
Jan 2015
#42
You would laugh at some of the conversations I had in the Yale Bowl parking lot
CTyankee
Jan 2015
#98
When I was like, four years old, I was super into dinosaurs - still am actually
Scootaloo
Jan 2015
#103
Jesus I never thought about that. Thousands of years of religious tradition is just like a 4 year
el_bryanto
Jan 2015
#105
Sorry, but that twisted logic doesnt fly here or anywhere, you want to believe in
randys1
Jan 2015
#96
So, it sounds like this guy was right to become an atheist, as it would seem...
Moonwalk
Jan 2015
#104
the esoteric view of the universe is quite similar amongst all cultures throughout time
KittyWampus
Jan 2015
#93
"the existence of God seems like an extra layer of complexity that isn’t necessary"
phantom power
Jan 2015
#17
A year without god is like a year without processed sugar. You get healthier--and better teeth. nt
valerief
Jan 2015
#46
Man is the only animal to have found the ONE True God....several of them. Mark Twain
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jan 2015
#55
If god knows everything, why did he create satan, cancer, and Republicans???
blkmusclmachine
Jan 2015
#62