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Orrex

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77. That's clearly a false analogy, and I have to think that you know this.

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 05:09 PM

Jan 2015

They do not believe in the dwarf planet Pluto. Instead, they accept the likelihood that the dwarf planet Pluto exists, based upon independently verifiable evidence. If you can present independently verifiable evidence for the existence of God, I encourage you to do so.

If you draw an analogy between any physical object that one can--in theory--verify independently and an immaterial entity that can't be verified, then that analogy is false.

Even if you formulate the analogy with a more nebulous claim, such as "Napoleon loved Josephine," then the analogy still fails. My response to the claim would be "I suppose that it's likely, but it's of minimal significance at this late date," whereas the existence of an infinite God with a special plan for me would be of immediate and paramount importance, so I'm hardly willing to equate it with a couple's romantic life from a few centuries ago.

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sadly, this person's initial and subsequent concept of God is quite childlike KittyWampus Jan 2015 #11

With respect, who are you to say that? Orrex Jan 2015 #14

what is more childlike than seeing "god" as an omnipotent father figure? KittyWampus Jan 2015 #79

With respect, who are you to say that? Orrex Jan 2015 #82

So the person who concludes invisible man in sky, not real, is childlike? randys1 Jan 2015 #16

I guess your counterpoint would be that any belief in God is childlike? nt el_bryanto Jan 2015 #19

Belief despite an absence of evidence might be characterized as childlike. Orrex Jan 2015 #23

When you see evidence you mean demonstrable evidence? el_bryanto Jan 2015 #24

Yes I would. Orrex Jan 2015 #27

OK - so you would characterize DU Believers as Childlike, if they believe in a God. el_bryanto Jan 2015 #33

If they can provide evidence to justify that belief, then I will be happy to hear it. Orrex Jan 2015 #36

Do you think this sort of back and forth belongs in General Discussion or in the Religion Forum? el_bryanto Jan 2015 #39

It's not my thread, and it's not for me to say. I defer to the Hosts. Orrex Jan 2015 #44

Do you feel like it's wrong for believers to suggest that you are arrogant? el_bryanto Jan 2015 #45

Before I answer, let me ask a framing question Orrex Jan 2015 #49

I think it's wrong in a public forum - where the are DU believers and DU atheists el_bryanto Jan 2015 #56

If we were stuck in a general room, I would pursue the matter differently Orrex Jan 2015 #61

I don't understand the first comment - this is the general discussion room? el_bryanto Jan 2015 #66

Participation in GD is not compulsory Orrex Jan 2015 #69

So because I'm not required to participate in GD you should able to say whatever you like? el_bryanto Jan 2015 #72

That is not my claim at all, so I have no reason to defend that claim. Orrex Jan 2015 #74

A few points el_bryanto Jan 2015 #80

In fairness... Orrex Jan 2015 #89

You are right - having made my point earlier - i should shut up and discontinue this conversation nt el_bryanto Jan 2015 #91

most people believe in the dwarf planet Pluto hfojvt Jan 2015 #71

That's clearly a false analogy, and I have to think that you know this. Orrex Jan 2015 #77

Matthew 18:3 ohheckyeah Jan 2015 #73

The SO of a friend of ours confided in me that she prays to the Virgin every day. CTyankee Jan 2015 #25

If someone tells me that they draw comfort from such belief, I don't contradict them. Orrex Jan 2015 #32

Yes. She wasn't proselytizing in the least. She was saying it simply and sincerely. CTyankee Jan 2015 #37

Carl Sagan made a point along these lines Orrex Jan 2015 #38

well, I was a bit surprised that this came up at a tailgate in the Yale Bowl's parking lot... CTyankee Jan 2015 #42

LOL. Sounds to me like you responded correctly. Orrex Jan 2015 #47

You would laugh at some of the conversations I had in the Yale Bowl parking lot CTyankee Jan 2015 #98

sensible.... dhill926 Jan 2015 #54

God is something children are told to believe in so they will behave randys1 Jan 2015 #97

By that you mean you aren't sure what to call it el_bryanto Jan 2015 #99

what do u call it? randys1 Jan 2015 #100

I call it faith I suppose. nt el_bryanto Jan 2015 #101

Which is a way of re-framing the issue to make it more palpable to adults randys1 Jan 2015 #102

So you prefer child-like then? Passive aggressive bullshit. nt el_bryanto Jan 2015 #106

When I was like, four years old, I was super into dinosaurs - still am actually Scootaloo Jan 2015 #103

Jesus I never thought about that. Thousands of years of religious tradition is just like a 4 year el_bryanto Jan 2015 #105

ah, no� the concept of god as an invisible man in the sky is childlike. KittyWampus Jan 2015 #81

But why is that concept childlike? Orrex Jan 2015 #94

Sorry, but that twisted logic doesnt fly here or anywhere, you want to believe in randys1 Jan 2015 #96

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