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102. Which is a way of re-framing the issue to make it more palpable to adults

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After A Year Without God, Former Pastor Ryan Bell No Longer Believes [View all] damnedifIknow Jan 2015 OP

How I stopped believing in the nonsense was when I asked myself how randys1 Jan 2015 #1

Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn�t go away. PassingFair Jan 2015 #15

One of my favorite authors LiberalLovinLug Jan 2015 #75

Why does this belong in the General Discussion forum rather than the religion forum? nt el_bryanto Jan 2015 #2

Could be because it's about no religion? shraby Jan 2015 #4

You should visit the religion forum if you think that it doesn't discuss this kind of story el_bryanto Jan 2015 #5

Just because they discuss it there, doesn't mean it is a religion only theme. shraby Jan 2015 #8

Why do the rules for General Discussion impose restrictions on posts about religion? el_bryanto Jan 2015 #13

It's actually about lack of belief. phil89 Jan 2015 #86

You should visit the religion forum - it is dominated by people who talk about their lack of belief el_bryanto Jan 2015 #90

Who cares? tkmorris Jan 2015 #34

Well two reasons el_bryanto Jan 2015 #40

I see a lot of religious people arguing for the stifling of criticism of or negativity about Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #53

Both are wrong. el_bryanto Jan 2015 #58

That penguin clip always makes me laugh. Thanks. nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2015 #76

You're quite welcome! Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #84

How does one 'live as an atheist'? Stop praying? Stop begging for miracles? randome Jan 2015 #3

Easy, you just live the way you should live as a human being. shraby Jan 2015 #6

IDK Krytan11c Jan 2015 #9

I suspect he was very skeptical when he started. Then he had this "revelation." immoderate Jan 2015 #10

You stop going to church, and stop praying. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2015 #31

That could describe agnostics as well as atheists as well as those who simply don't give a damn. randome Jan 2015 #59

There's still a difference between "I missed it" and "I'm never going" jeff47 Jan 2015 #60

He said what the difference is ohheckyeah Jan 2015 #70

My faith is a lot simpler than he makes his out to be. dawg Jan 2015 #7

Agree. I don't think we can wrap our brains around God. tblue Jan 2015 #22

Great Literature never tried to define God, since he was beyond human conception. TheBlackAdder Jan 2015 #83

sadly, this person's initial and subsequent concept of God is quite childlike KittyWampus Jan 2015 #11

With respect, who are you to say that? Orrex Jan 2015 #14

what is more childlike than seeing "god" as an omnipotent father figure? KittyWampus Jan 2015 #79

With respect, who are you to say that? Orrex Jan 2015 #82

So the person who concludes invisible man in sky, not real, is childlike? randys1 Jan 2015 #16

I guess your counterpoint would be that any belief in God is childlike? nt el_bryanto Jan 2015 #19

Belief despite an absence of evidence might be characterized as childlike. Orrex Jan 2015 #23

When you see evidence you mean demonstrable evidence? el_bryanto Jan 2015 #24

Yes I would. Orrex Jan 2015 #27

OK - so you would characterize DU Believers as Childlike, if they believe in a God. el_bryanto Jan 2015 #33

If they can provide evidence to justify that belief, then I will be happy to hear it. Orrex Jan 2015 #36

Do you think this sort of back and forth belongs in General Discussion or in the Religion Forum? el_bryanto Jan 2015 #39

It's not my thread, and it's not for me to say. I defer to the Hosts. Orrex Jan 2015 #44

Do you feel like it's wrong for believers to suggest that you are arrogant? el_bryanto Jan 2015 #45

Before I answer, let me ask a framing question Orrex Jan 2015 #49

I think it's wrong in a public forum - where the are DU believers and DU atheists el_bryanto Jan 2015 #56

If we were stuck in a general room, I would pursue the matter differently Orrex Jan 2015 #61

I don't understand the first comment - this is the general discussion room? el_bryanto Jan 2015 #66

Participation in GD is not compulsory Orrex Jan 2015 #69

So because I'm not required to participate in GD you should able to say whatever you like? el_bryanto Jan 2015 #72

That is not my claim at all, so I have no reason to defend that claim. Orrex Jan 2015 #74

A few points el_bryanto Jan 2015 #80

In fairness... Orrex Jan 2015 #89

You are right - having made my point earlier - i should shut up and discontinue this conversation nt el_bryanto Jan 2015 #91

most people believe in the dwarf planet Pluto hfojvt Jan 2015 #71

That's clearly a false analogy, and I have to think that you know this. Orrex Jan 2015 #77

Matthew 18:3 ohheckyeah Jan 2015 #73

The SO of a friend of ours confided in me that she prays to the Virgin every day. CTyankee Jan 2015 #25

If someone tells me that they draw comfort from such belief, I don't contradict them. Orrex Jan 2015 #32

Yes. She wasn't proselytizing in the least. She was saying it simply and sincerely. CTyankee Jan 2015 #37

Carl Sagan made a point along these lines Orrex Jan 2015 #38

well, I was a bit surprised that this came up at a tailgate in the Yale Bowl's parking lot... CTyankee Jan 2015 #42

LOL. Sounds to me like you responded correctly. Orrex Jan 2015 #47

You would laugh at some of the conversations I had in the Yale Bowl parking lot CTyankee Jan 2015 #98

sensible.... dhill926 Jan 2015 #54

God is something children are told to believe in so they will behave randys1 Jan 2015 #97

By that you mean you aren't sure what to call it el_bryanto Jan 2015 #99

what do u call it? randys1 Jan 2015 #100

I call it faith I suppose. nt el_bryanto Jan 2015 #101

Which is a way of re-framing the issue to make it more palpable to adults randys1 Jan 2015 #102

So you prefer child-like then? Passive aggressive bullshit. nt el_bryanto Jan 2015 #106

When I was like, four years old, I was super into dinosaurs - still am actually Scootaloo Jan 2015 #103

Jesus I never thought about that. Thousands of years of religious tradition is just like a 4 year el_bryanto Jan 2015 #105

ah, no� the concept of god as an invisible man in the sky is childlike. KittyWampus Jan 2015 #81

But why is that concept childlike? Orrex Jan 2015 #94

Sorry, but that twisted logic doesnt fly here or anywhere, you want to believe in randys1 Jan 2015 #96

Okay. I'll bite, as you seem to know. What is "God" actually? Moonwalk Jan 2015 #29

Well, some different ideas that are a bit less childlike are: KittyWampus Jan 2015 #87

So, it sounds like this guy was right to become an atheist, as it would seem... Moonwalk Jan 2015 #104

God is a concept -- in your mind vlyons Jan 2015 #52

Very sensible post. And I would actually say there's so many religions KittyWampus Jan 2015 #85

Oh so there's an objective version of what god is? phil89 Jan 2015 #88

the esoteric view of the universe is quite similar amongst all cultures throughout time KittyWampus Jan 2015 #93

Just say Maybe seveneyes Jan 2015 #12

It's not necessary to show that a god doesn't exist Orrex Jan 2015 #18

"the existence of God seems like an extra layer of complexity that isn�t necessary" phantom power Jan 2015 #17

I thought this was a strange conclusion personally LiberalLovinLug Jan 2015 #95

Very strange man. How does someone "live" as an atheist? tritsofme Jan 2015 #20

You can read the start of his journey on his blog... Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #30

You live to convince others they're wrong.... ileus Jan 2015 #43

I think you live differently phil89 Jan 2015 #92

"Anytime you can step outside your comfort zone, Zorra Jan 2015 #21

Even as a child I knew it was bullshit. Catholicism didn't take. EEO Jan 2015 #26

Same here. AngryDem001 Jan 2015 #63

At least he found himself a new job! Quantess Jan 2015 #28

I'd stop believing if they wanted me to eat the way those 7th dayers do. ileus Jan 2015 #35

And some people move in the opposite direction. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #41

A year without god is like a year without processed sugar. You get healthier--and better teeth. nt valerief Jan 2015 #46

I think that GHW Bush probably nauseates God. LuvNewcastle Jan 2015 #65

You're all going to hey-yall! Enthusiast Jan 2015 #48

As I've been told before threads about religion don't belong in GD. liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #50

I consider myself to my agnostic. iandhr Jan 2015 #51

Man is the only animal to have found the ONE True God....several of them. Mark Twain Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #55

Or LWolf Jan 2015 #57

If god knows everything, why did he create satan, cancer, and Republicans??? blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #62

Why did he create the Palins? AngryDem001 Jan 2015 #64

With so much evil in control project_bluebook Jan 2015 #67

Everyone means something different when they say "God". CJCRANE Jan 2015 #68

A year well spent. Bonx Jan 2015 #78

Locking aikoaiko Jan 2015 #107