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Thor_MN

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180. I've learned that when people stray into religious fervor to walk away.

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 09:57 AM

Jan 2015

When HFCS woo comes out and "natural" becomes an exception to everything, there's no point in continuing to discuss. When economics woo is the topic and trickle is declared successful, time to move on. When vaccines are being discussed and people start shrieking "mercury is poison", there's nothing to be gained. People that have closed their minds to all but the talking points they get from quacks usually can't discuss, all thy can do is spout talking points.

As for your question, the sugars in fresh squeezed orange juice are about 50% sucrose, 25% fructose, 25% glucose. As it sits, the citric acid will promote hydrolysis of the bond in the sucrose and the ratios will shift to more monosaccharides.

Have a nice glass of all natural sugar water, pretend that it is different than flavored HFCS and go find some more quack sites to not cite.

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Corporations Have Renamed �High Fructose Corn Syrup� [View all] edhopper Jan 2015 OP

If I see anything other than s-u-g-a-r, or h-o-n-e-y, I ain't buying it! MADem Jan 2015 #1

Actually edhopper Jan 2015 #4

I don't like corn syrup because it's too easy to have a heavy hand with it. MADem Jan 2015 #6

Well edhopper Jan 2015 #10

Oh, shit--you just made a liar outta me!!! MADem Jan 2015 #13

But as i said edhopper Jan 2015 #16

its in my great-aunt's carmel recipe too. pansypoo53219 Jan 2015 #113

I had one slice of pecan pie at Christmas, pangaia Jan 2015 #23

I know someone edhopper Jan 2015 #25

I can cook but I can't even bake cookies..... pangaia Jan 2015 #29

Sounds like edhopper Jan 2015 #31

I BEG YOUR PARDON! pangaia Jan 2015 #33

A little early on a Sunday edhopper Jan 2015 #35

Not when the Packers have a bye. pangaia Jan 2015 #37

Well edhopper Jan 2015 #39

A preview of the Lions / Cowboys matchup? FrodosPet Jan 2015 #45

Great !! pangaia Jan 2015 #89

Off topic. Feral Child Jan 2015 #120

That's easy. pangaia Jan 2015 #67

Blotters or tabs? Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #76

Jesus CHRIST. It's Sunday!!!! Is nothing sacred with you people? Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #155

Here ya go... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #156

Jesus looks like that crazy dude from Creed, there! Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #157

Could be worse... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #158

oh my god that hurts my eyes Hekate Jan 2015 #174

Here's an easy fix for a runny pecan pie filling procon Jan 2015 #47

Thanks. edhopper Jan 2015 #51

You cook the filling before putting it in the pie? grasswire Jan 2015 #99

yep- google brown butter pecan pie- soo good. bettyellen Jan 2015 #136

I use David Rosengarten's recipe... grasswire Jan 2015 #137

I add at least 1/3 more pecans than any recipe calls for, LOL- do not like too much goo. bettyellen Jan 2015 #139

I tried it with a molasses substitute once- Good, but still not the real thing NBachers Jan 2015 #50

You might have to change up the formula a little edhopper Jan 2015 #52

Golden syrup alcina Jan 2015 #64

available through Amazon demigoddess Jan 2015 #73

I have been told that one other requirement for a decent pecan pie truedelphi Jan 2015 #160

Beg to differ. stage left Jan 2015 #83

this is probably a good time to post my favorite ProfessorPlum Jan 2015 #100

100% maple I hope. cstanleytech Jan 2015 #9

I'm from New England...is there any other kind? MADem Jan 2015 #12

Of course not.... daleanime Jan 2015 #17

I don't buy any of it. LWolf Jan 2015 #43

If you like ginger, this is delightful. CrispyQ Jan 2015 #54

Scumbags billhicks76 Jan 2015 #171

Far as I am concerned they can call it whatever they want but its still corn syrup imo. cstanleytech Jan 2015 #2

It's not corn syrup edhopper Jan 2015 #20

What they fear is the educated consumer who actually read labels and research the unrecognized... hlthe2b Jan 2015 #3

"including sugars of all kinds that don't come packaged in a natural fruit form" Thor_MN Jan 2015 #11

natural fructose in fruit includes fiber that acts to modulate its impact on blood sugar rises... hlthe2b Jan 2015 #15

OK, got it. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #28

To say that fresh fruit is healthier than highly processed high sugar cereals is "WOO"? hlthe2b Jan 2015 #34

No one said that but you, along with the other crap that you spouted. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #36

You did say "woo" in response to my comment. hlthe2b Jan 2015 #86

What you have classified as "prickliness" is aversion to crap science. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #88

You are calling AMA, ADA, National Academy of Science, NIH, CDC, & academic community anti-science hlthe2b Jan 2015 #91

You just go on believeing your distillations of the science you don't understand, provided by the Thor_MN Jan 2015 #93

In all reality the odds are that you are far less educted in science and medicine than most hlthe2b Jan 2015 #98

You are correct, hlthe2b. Maedhros Jan 2015 #106

Since niether of us knows what the others eductaion is we don't have any basis. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #122

your spelling is a clue, Thor.... artemis starwolf Jan 2015 #166

A clue to what? My spelling is fine, my typing sucks. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #167

+1 TheBlackAdder Jan 2015 #141

A religion is an organized collection arikara Jan 2015 #111

Project much? Thor_MN Jan 2015 #123

Doesn't Science use observation and experimentation to explain. livingonearth Jan 2015 #175

Homeopathy is unmitigated bullshit and 100% unalterated woo. No argument there. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #154

Please read edhopper Jan 2015 #38

Utter bullshit. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #55

Wikipedia versus Thor rleskowitz Jan 2015 #71

Thanks edhopper Jan 2015 #77

Maybe some classes in chemisty and biology before declaring oneself an expert... Thor_MN Jan 2015 #82

That Dr. Hyman is a quack...n/t PasadenaTrudy Jan 2015 #95

But, the question remains: Maedhros Jan 2015 #108

Call crap science crap is being a jerk? Thor_MN Jan 2015 #124

No you wouldn't sugar coat it. You'd bathe it in HFCS-55. Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #129

No, I don't bathe in HFCS 55. But I'm not afraid of it. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #146

I didn't say that YOU would bathe in HFCS. Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #153

I was willing to let it go with calling it woo, but s/he kept it up. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #159

OK - you like to insult people to feel better about yourself. Maedhros Jan 2015 #140

Thank you. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #144

What you are saying is not correct whopis01 Jan 2015 #80

So will gastric acids and acids in food. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #84

different sugars break down in in different areas of the gut. Sugars that dissolve faster KittyWampus Jan 2015 #150

I guess I don't want the HFCS companies predigesting my sucrose! livingonearth Jan 2015 #164

The blog is from a quack. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #168

What about oranges? livingonearth Jan 2015 #172

Have a nice life. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #173

Oh come on... livingonearth Jan 2015 #176

I've learned that when people stray into religious fervor to walk away. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #180

In other words... livingonearth Jan 2015 #181

In other words, it doesn't matter if it is hydrolysed by sucrase, gastric acid, citric acid. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #182

It's the rate of absorption that is important to health. livingonearth Jan 2015 #183

"Plus the ratio in sucrose is 1 to 1" Thor_MN Jan 2015 #185

Of course - but merely stirring in water will not. n/t whopis01 Jan 2015 #184

We need all the bullshit we can get polynomial Jan 2015 #177

Nice tangent. That's 90 degrees from everything. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #179

You should really look for another source. That one is awful. jeff47 Jan 2015 #107

No. The fruit includes fiber. The fructose is just fructose. jeff47 Jan 2015 #115

Umm, NO You misnderstand, apparently.. I use/ingest no other sweeteners except whole fruit hlthe2b Jan 2015 #118

You claimed the fructose contains fiber. It's the subject of your post. jeff47 Jan 2015 #119

fruit contains fiber. I eat fruit which is sweet because of natural fructose but aslo contains FIBER hlthe2b Jan 2015 #121

The subject of the sentence is "fructose". You intended it to be "fruit". jeff47 Jan 2015 #130

No.. I was commenting on my original post as to my approach to diet. hlthe2b Jan 2015 #131

We can spend money on decent food or we can spend it on medical care KentuckyWoman Jan 2015 #116

Makes me glad that I cook almost everything I eat myself.... daleanime Jan 2015 #5

I'm now eating plain oatmeal with very low sodium and no sugar at all... CTyankee Jan 2015 #7

I'll have to try the preserves... daleanime Jan 2015 #22

The Cherry Amaretto Jam from Door County is especially nice too. CTyankee Jan 2015 #24

I agree edhopper Jan 2015 #27

That's a typical quick breakfast for me - I cook Red Mill oatmeal with closeupready Jan 2015 #92

Isn't it though? shanti Jan 2015 #102

I sometimes put dried fruit in, esp. this time of year. But sometimes we get some CTyankee Jan 2015 #104

Yup shanti Jan 2015 #109

I wish I could get loose mandarin tangerines. They come in a little crate box but CTyankee Jan 2015 #110

Oatmeal without cinnamon is an abomination. KittyWampus Jan 2015 #151

Ezekiel brand artemis starwolf Jan 2015 #170

I would like to note edhopper Jan 2015 #8

Plain oatmeal. Shredded wheat. Triana Jan 2015 #18

Can't expect a government that gets campaign money to protect consumers. L0oniX Jan 2015 #14

Bingo. F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #135

Another couple and I had a hearty laugh tavernier Jan 2015 #19

HFCS and corn syrup edhopper Jan 2015 #21

Pancake syrup KentuckyWoman Jan 2015 #117

Duh tavernier Jan 2015 #143

If the bottle is $3.49, it isn't real. tridim Jan 2015 #26

We often used the Karo corn syrup straight with no flavoring. It was sweet but rhett o rick Jan 2015 #56

There is poison in our food anybody heard about what Red 40 does to kids? craigmatic Jan 2015 #30

Well, they were not going to dismantle the HFCS process just because they could not djean111 Jan 2015 #32

All of those new 'alternatives' Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #42

Google "Agave problems" edhopper Jan 2015 #44

$^%^& Why is nothing in this world safe? nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #46

Yeah, I know edhopper Jan 2015 #48

I only buy locally sourced honey because of the worry about bogus honey csziggy Jan 2015 #90

Don't use agave syrup - not healthy much like HFCs . It is natural but just lunasun Jan 2015 #161

That's weird. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #162

I had edited my post it is the fructose . I had it high you are correct it is low , but lunasun Jan 2015 #165

If you like Stevia, it's pretty easy to grow. Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #60

Thanks, really good to know. djean111 Jan 2015 #68

Herbal shops TuxedoKat Jan 2015 #94

It's very cold sensitive though Retrograde Jan 2015 #70

It winters over outdoors in the cool interior SF East Bay. Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #72

Thanks to everybody in this little exchange for the information! djean111 Jan 2015 #97

Those durn microclimates! Retrograde Jan 2015 #101

Yeah, our days are warmer and that does make a difference. Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #126

The leaves shanti Jan 2015 #103

Corporations must really hate labeling laws. JohnnyRingo Jan 2015 #40

Ok, so they "fixed" that problem! mountain grammy Jan 2015 #41

Fuck. blackspade Jan 2015 #49

That's the twin attack of the Repukes edhopper Jan 2015 #53

Indeed. blackspade Jan 2015 #58

It's actually clearer, isn't it? Igel Jan 2015 #57

Corn syrup is nearly 100% glucose. jeff47 Jan 2015 #112

And what of foods with no fiber at all but lots of HFCS? You speak as if all foods with HFCS are Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #178

Weren't they calling it "corn sugar" just a couple of years ago? (nt) Recursion Jan 2015 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author edhopper Jan 2015 #61

Anything to deceive edhopper Jan 2015 #63

FDA said they could not do that. djean111 Jan 2015 #127

They tried to. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #148

There are a few times edhopper Jan 2015 #62

Note--also now called just "corn syrup" DFW Jan 2015 #65

This isn't high fructose corn syrup mathematic Jan 2015 #66

Corporations lying to the public again? What a surprise, not. jdenver_2624 Jan 2015 #69

I'm sure the marketers who came up with this brilliant plan to deceive people Zorra Jan 2015 #74

I'm sure it's good for diabetes... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #75

Too late for that shanti Jan 2015 #105

Sucking back sucrose sodas would do the same. jeff47 Jan 2015 #114

Not as much as the strontium 90.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #145

Money is indeed the bottom line. If they think we are so stupid that a name change is going to help jwirr Jan 2015 #78

Sorry, anyone who buys crap like 'Chex' isn't making good choices from the start. randome Jan 2015 #79

Chex corn, rice and wheat cereals are WIC approved. JimDandy Jan 2015 #132

So it's not HIGH fructose, it's almost ALL fructose. Chemisse Jan 2015 #81

IF YOU CAN�T CONVINCE THEM, CONFUSE THEM � Harry Truman PumpkinAle Jan 2015 #85

that could kill a few people if they don't know it PatrynXX Jan 2015 #87

So will TPP allow said corporation to sue any pesky government that requires truthful labeling? Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #96

Just yesterday I picked up some product in the grocery store because the label had in HUGE letters DebJ Jan 2015 #125

Corporate honesty. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #128

Good to know! Thanks. nt Duval Jan 2015 #133

HFCS: manufacturing process/corn source & nutrition. BadgerKid Jan 2015 #134

Yet another reason to... americannightmare Jan 2015 #138

All the more reason I cook from scratch and stay away from processed foods . geretogo Jan 2015 #142

This smacks of another attempt... elzenmahn Jan 2015 #147

Depressingly typical, and sneaky. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #149

Good to know libodem Jan 2015 #152

They can change labels... SHRED Jan 2015 #163

Tough to sort all this out. davidthegnome Jan 2015 #169