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gollygee

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32. It's the "or in order to intentionally conceal one's identity" part that is the problem

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 01:47 PM

Jan 2015

It's fine to say you can't enter a shop with your hood up, but this law says "in public" and no one can actually tell what someone's intent in wearing a hoodie is, so it's going to end up with young black men being stopped over and over and over again. It appears to be created in order to create more racial profiling. A kid is walking home from school and has his hood up because he's chilly or is trying to block the sun or he otherwise finds it comfortable. What is to stop a police officer from stopping him simply because he's wearing a hoodie? It creates legal reasonable cause where there isn't really reasonable cause.

Yes, everyone wears them, but it is particularly the fashion for young men, and it fits into the "thug" stereotype that is used an excuse to criminalize young black men. This law is just an excuse for police to stop them and accuse them of trying to hide their identiy, and then search them.

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New Bill Would Make Wearing Hoodies A Crime [View all] SummerSnow Jan 2015 OP

I'm a middle aged white guy Bluzmann57 Jan 2015 #1

Who doesn't wear them? Aerows Jan 2015 #4

only if your hoodie is used either while committing a crime or in order to intentionally conceal belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #5

Conceal one's identity from whom? Iggo Jan 2015 #14

yup ... nt belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #20

That's what it states on it's face Aerows Jan 2015 #18

Hate cliches, but "slippery slope". Feral Child Jan 2015 #19

leos can stop anyone anytime they dont need a hoodie law belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #23

Quit making excuses to sanctify this law. Feral Child Jan 2015 #34

It's the "or in order to intentionally conceal one's identity" part that is the problem gollygee Jan 2015 #32

have the police had a problem lately of harrassing black people ? belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #33

This will intensify an already horrible problem gollygee Jan 2015 #35

um, uh, what the flying fuck? Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #57

it wasnt my idea belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #58

It is the fucked racist horseshit you are defending all over this thread. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #59

i never defended it in fact in the post youre responding to i said "they dont need this law" belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #62

oh right. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #63

it's not my fault that youre jumping to conclusions and making assumptions belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #64

It's not my fault you've taken it upon yourself to be the defender of racist horseshit. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #65

i'll ask again where did i defend it belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #67

still waiting belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #70

"jumping to conclusions and making assumptions" versus hiding behind the implications of one's own.. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #71

do you also think im defending this action belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #72

of course calling people names on a message board under a fake name is anything but cowardly belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #73

If the bill passes no human should buy ANYTHING made in OK, we should create a special randys1 Jan 2015 #51

Out of the four coats i have madokie Jan 2015 #68

My mother wears Aerows Jan 2015 #2

I guess your mom must be planning to 'Set it Off'. bravenak Jan 2015 #69

Clearly she is Aerows Jan 2015 #74

Tell her she needs a lowrider. bravenak Jan 2015 #75

LOL!! n/t Aerows Jan 2015 #76

you forgot the rest of the title. either while committing a crime or in order to intentionally belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #3

yep, it's an "enhancer" AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #6

the poster is trying to rile people up belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #8

Not the OP's fault; it is being reported that way. AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #10

No, you are being stupid. Do you not realize that such a law would serve as a never-ending source Solomon Jan 2015 #26

as if black people are not already harrassed go ahead and call it out my only point is belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #31

On the contrary. Feral Child Jan 2015 #37

the op said "New Bill Would Make Wearing Hoodies A Crime" now that makes it sound like belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #43

You're repeating yourself. Feral Child Jan 2015 #44

that didnt answer the question belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #46

I don't have to answer redundancy, Sport. Feral Child Jan 2015 #48

this is good "seething with sweaty self-hatred and trying vainly to project it onto others" belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #49

Not stupid ones. Feral Child Jan 2015 #55

BUt that makes no sense, you mean you can rob a store but wont be breaking the law unless randys1 Jan 2015 #52

Oh. You are defending this initiative. Aerows Jan 2015 #9

people are not to be arrested simply for wearing a hoodie - try reading the whole thing belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #16

That's the way I read it too. Neon Gods Jan 2015 #78

And that's an equivocation. Feral Child Jan 2015 #22

the police dont need a hoodie law to harrass people - what excuse am i making belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #28

I don't see how this can be against the law TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #7

wearing a mask or covering which impedes identification. this is what the law is addressing belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #12

On the street or inside? TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #25

This is beyond dumb. Every grandma in the state should buy and wear hoodies in protest. Vinca Jan 2015 #11

No ban wearing these hoodies? SummerSnow Jan 2015 #13

Those are encouraged, by some...I sure wanna live long enough to see what happens randys1 Jan 2015 #53

high five SummerSnow Jan 2015 #66

This law is already on the books in NY, DC, and California oberliner Jan 2015 #15

Most wear baseball caps Politicalboi Jan 2015 #17

If you make enough laws Aerows Jan 2015 #21

True, and I think some businesses would ignore the law TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #29

Businesses can't enforce this law. Feral Child Jan 2015 #41

Thank Providence Feral Child Jan 2015 #30

Then you enforce them selectively and PRESTO: Totalitarian rule. FiveGoodMen Jan 2015 #77

Good thing they don't have an NFL team Depaysement Jan 2015 #24

Would a criminal not wear a hoodie while committing a crime Johonny Jan 2015 #27

Maybe this is just another example of good intentions gone wrong procon Jan 2015 #36

Most states in the south have anti-mask laws like this Lee-Lee Jan 2015 #38

+1 onenote Jan 2015 #42

A 500 dollar fine? damnedifIknow Jan 2015 #39

or in order to intentionally conceal-- that is the slippery slope. diabeticman Jan 2015 #40

No it wouldn't onenote Jan 2015 #45

careful now the bait was laid and the ragers are feasting there's no time for nuance belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #47

So with security cameras everywhere in stores and on the streets, benz380 Jan 2015 #50

What does Oklahoma have against Bill Belichick? [n/t] Maedhros Jan 2015 #54

Bill was wearing a hoodie while stealing the jets signals. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #60

New bill would not make wearing hoodies a crime. Glassunion Jan 2015 #56

Let's call this bill what it really is: Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #61

I'd rather see them pass a law to criminalize wearing nichomachus Jan 2015 #79

Why is the University of Oklahoma aiding criminals? hughee99 Jan 2015 #80