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noiretextatique

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Tue Apr 24, 2012, 12:32 PM Apr 2012

the tradition of blaming the victim [View all]

along with the "just world" fallacy are key concepts in understanding how years of rw propaganda have shaped the national psyche. i was having a conversation with two 30-something friends, both supposed liberal and intelligent. but when they started using terms like "failed social programs of the sixites," i was floored. i realized just how damaging and insidious the reagan revolution really was, especially the so-called scholarly research that supported reaganism. i've been arguing with zimmerman apologists for a few weeks now, and clearly, there are those who blame Martin for his death, based on little more than the word of the man who killed him.
i've read that Martin should have been polite, he should not have been dressed like a thug, he should have complied, and even that he should not have defended himself, even if zimmerman confronted him....and that he had no reason to be afraid of zimmerman.

all of these excuses are attempts to dehumanize Martin; to morph him into something other than an unarmed 17 year old with skittles and iced tea walking home from the store. that's ALL he was. and it takes a lot of effort to see him as anything other than that. but some people are more than willing to make that effort, and frankly i haven't heard a cogent argument from the "blame the victim" camp. every argument i've heard is tinged with racism...and some are just blatantly racist. one of the arguments is that zimmerman was "entitled" to question Martin, and why only response to that is: how very white of you. it would never occur to me to question someone in an elevator about why they are in the building, but it has happened to me several times. it doesn't matter what i wear, or how articulate i am. someone, usually a white person, can conclude i don't belong, and feel entitled to question me. and let me tell you something: i don't "go along" with it, and i am not polite. i don't defer to their "suspicions" about my right to be somewhere they don't think i should be. if i bother to respond, i tell them to fuck off. that's the context from which i view comments like: "if he threw the first punch..." if he did throw the first punch, i know exactly why. just because you feel entitled to question someone's right to existence doesn't mean that person agrees that he is "suspicious," he could just be walking home from the store with skittles.

zimmerman is not the victim: Martin is. whether or not he was suspended from school or smoked weed: he is still the victim. whether or not he threw the first punch, he is still the victim.

liberal/progressive means this to me: it is incumbent upon me to walk my talk. it really did used to mean that. it meant educating yourself, and taking personal responsibility to change those parts of yourself that are not in line with your beliefs. it means doing the hard work internally, and you cannot do that work until you can be honest with yourself. i used to carry some resentment towards white people, until i was challenged to embrace ALL my ancestors, including the ones who owned slaves and fought for the confederacy. how could i resent my own bloodline, how could i resent the people who made my life possible?
i had to let the resentment go, and i am a better person for it.

there is a meme, a sometimes subtle one, that permeates the underlying beliefs of some zimmerman supporters: black men are inherently dangerous. zimmerman revealed this belief at his recent hearing. he said: "i didn't know if he was armed." which begs the question: why would you think he was armed? aside from the fact that zimmerman is a paranoid freak, he is most certainly not alone in believing black men are armed and dangerous. there is a belief that Martin got what he deserved, simply for being who he was...and what that means to some. zimmerman knows exactly what to say to get a portion of americans to support him: i was scared of the big, black boogeyman, just like YOU.

the use of race to divide and conquer is nothing new. but what we often fail to acknowledge is that we, those who vote democratic and consider themselves liberal...WE are not immune to the insidious racial messages that have poisoned the minds of generations of americans. and personally...i hold YOU accountable, just like i hold myself accountable. when my black friend starting talking shit about "mexicans taking over," i tell her she is being a racist fool, and she should know better. do you know why talking about race is taboo? because talking about it means we can change, and we can change it, and it serves a purpose in society. it has a portion of americans convinced that Obama is a kenyan, socialist muslim dead-set on taking their guns and forcing them to face death panels. it has members of congress pushing these lies, and feeling free to call the president a liar. it has convinced some people they should fear the president as much as any other scary black guy, it has convinced some people a 17 yo with skittles posed a threat to a armed cop wannabee looking for a fight.

that is all...here are some links.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming#Just-world_hypothesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis


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the tradition of blaming the victim [View all] noiretextatique Apr 2012 OP
Beautifully said. n/t Daalalou Apr 2012 #1
Blaming the victim is the basis of social Darwinism. Zalatix Apr 2012 #2
This mentality is now embedded throughout all forms of media now. ananda Apr 2012 #4
K&R redqueen Apr 2012 #3
Wow. Awesome. catbyte Apr 2012 #5
love your sig line noiretextatique Apr 2012 #31
Well said. hunter Apr 2012 #6
Will ALWAYS proudly stand with you, noire blm Apr 2012 #7
likewise, my friend noiretextatique Apr 2012 #32
K&R sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #8
of course they have to blame the victim... Kalidurga Apr 2012 #9
Bullying at public schools is the same thing. DhhD Apr 2012 #17
Despite the current reaction against bullying in the schools, ... radicalliberal Apr 2012 #38
+1,000 freshwest Apr 2012 #22
i wish i could rec your post noiretextatique Apr 2012 #33
"deal with the ugliness in their souls, instead of hiding behind the sacredness of their hate." redqueen Apr 2012 #65
This excellent. Thank you noiretextatique! PotatoChip Apr 2012 #10
NoireTextatique, You and I have cross posted on this topic and many others having to do with Ecumenist Apr 2012 #11
+ a gazillion chervilant Apr 2012 #27
Thanks Chervilant, I believe that we are coalescing into a juggernaut of humanity, sick of a Ecumenist Apr 2012 #39
Backatcha, chervilant Apr 2012 #45
I agree...the racists and regressives are outing themselves noiretextatique Apr 2012 #30
Thank you, OMG, isn't it revolting that there are some so ignorant in the 21st century that people Ecumenist Apr 2012 #40
FWIW, many of the Zimmerman Fan Club are just following the NRA line Doctor_J Apr 2012 #12
true that noiretextatique Apr 2012 #34
Yes, and we know that that actually means: "if he had just been polite."= Ecumenist Apr 2012 #41
amazing, just fng amazing noiretextatique Apr 2012 #42
DURec KG Apr 2012 #13
Excellent, excellent rant. Jackpine Radical Apr 2012 #14
DUrec. nm rhett o rick Apr 2012 #15
Thank You, NOLALady Apr 2012 #16
Very well said. Leftist Agitator Apr 2012 #18
that's just one arrow in the rightwinger quiver stupidicus Apr 2012 #19
Sorry to go off topic... Kalidurga Apr 2012 #20
notta problem stupidicus Apr 2012 #21
Amen, Stupidicus...You show alot of logic, critical thinking and common sense, three things that are Ecumenist Apr 2012 #29
thanks stupidicus Apr 2012 #64
I've noticed the flood of right wing idiots too, many of them EXTREMELY transparent Ecumenist Apr 2012 #66
indeed stupidicus Apr 2012 #69
k&r Starry Messenger Apr 2012 #23
Kick for excellence. nt. polly7 Apr 2012 #24
Best OP I've seen in this place in a looooong time Number23 Apr 2012 #25
Thank You! shcrane71 Apr 2012 #26
Excellent OP... Spazito Apr 2012 #28
You nailed it, and it extends far beyond the distraction of the day. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #35
you are so right noiretextatique Apr 2012 #36
My father worked for the Sandia National Labs siligut Apr 2012 #58
Hear Hear, Ma'am! The Magistrate Apr 2012 #37
kick Iris Apr 2012 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Apr 2012 #44
i noticed that. i am waiting for them noiretextatique Apr 2012 #51
That's not their way. It's kind of odd to me that so little has changed Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #54
they are busy on the zimmerman's background thread noiretextatique Apr 2012 #57
Good God. I've been trashing all of those threads, now I know it was a good choice. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #61
new meme noiretextatique Apr 2012 #62
Thank you. saras Apr 2012 #46
Who's Williams? You mean Trayvon Martin? If you're talking about him, you're absolutely right. Ecumenist Apr 2012 #47
Yer right - wrong name - I'll go try and fix it. Damn Firefox and it's seventy open tabs! saras Apr 2012 #49
Another readon why Zimmerman thought Martin was armed: Alcibiades Apr 2012 #48
i don't excuse the media noiretextatique Apr 2012 #52
Well said DiverDave Apr 2012 #50
It exists because victimhood is a valuable commodity grok Apr 2012 #53
Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #55
glad i don't work in san francisco anymore noiretextatique Apr 2012 #56
How about this one ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #59
not surprised at all noiretextatique Apr 2012 #60
Are you familiar with the writing of Kwame Ture or Kwame Nkrumah? BeHereNow Apr 2012 #67
i haven't read them in a while noiretextatique Apr 2012 #73
Magnificent post. myrna minx Apr 2012 #63
K&R varelse Apr 2012 #68
I wish every white person could have the experience of living in a place Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #70
i do too. i had to leave this country in order to feel american noiretextatique Apr 2012 #72
k&r nt steve2470 Apr 2012 #71
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