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MineralMan

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62. Well, if there's no evidence other than that photo,

Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:22 AM

Jan 2015

there's no story, really. If the girl (now woman) in the photo doesn't complain and there is no photo or video of the two of them engaged in something more "delicate" than that photo, there's not any crime with evidence enough to convict anyone. Tabloid journalism. It's not illegal for a man and a 17-year-old having a photo taken with arms around waists, standing side-by-side.

I don't doubt that something might have happened between them, but without a lot more evidence than this, Andrew skates.

There's also the issue of age of consent where this was supposed to have happened. I don't know what that is.

ETA: The age of consent in New York in 2001 was 17. I have no idea which Caribbean island was also involved, so I can't look that up. If they had sex in New York when she was 17 and she consented to it, there isn't any criminal issue. It's still a potential scandal, of course, but not a criminal issue.

ETA: Looking at the Caribbean, the age of consent almost everywhere is 16 in that region.

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I hope that was a joke. Atman Jan 2015 #6

I meant the tiny elliptic sheen above the mirror-image of the flash. DetlefK Jan 2015 #8

Nope. Flash reflecting off of the plastic window shade. Atman Jan 2015 #11

I agree with the poster above. There is the flash and also an ellipse of light above it CJCRANE Jan 2015 #15

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They have very strict libel laws in the UK to protect the rich. Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #44

What do you think the outcome will be of all this? CJCRANE Jan 2015 #47

From the guardian Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #48

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They both have the same red-eye effect... Atman Jan 2015 #7

Fair enough. CJCRANE Jan 2015 #9

I'm no forensic expert, but... Atman Jan 2015 #10

The one thing that makes me question this photo TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #12

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I see that marions ghost Jan 2015 #34

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