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ybbor

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12. The part about Democrats is most concerning

Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:04 PM

Jan 2015

I have friends, some of whom consider themselves to be extremely progressive, who have said that they have no problem with having "Big Brother" in our gov't. This scares the hell out of me. I try to tell them that this is ridiculous and our freedoms and liberty are worth more than our safety any day, but it is possible to have both.

I believe it was Franklin, who said those who would trade security for liberty deserve neither. I am a firm believer of this. The concept of torturing to keep us "safe" is so effed up!

Our country has moved so far away from our founders intentions, I fear we will never make it there now.

I feel sorry for my daughter and all those who may come after her.

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"we lost the torture debate completely" [View all] phantom power Jan 2015 OP

That's accurate. PDittie Jan 2015 #1

The part about Democrats is most concerning ybbor Jan 2015 #12

Actually it's not even close... SomethingFishy Jan 2015 #28

WRT to your final question: imperial cynicism explains the co-morbid torture approval and KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #35

Article VI Bobcat Jan 2015 #2

Heart of Darkness reference Fairgo Jan 2015 #47

That is the sound of freedom dying Central Scruitinizer Jan 2015 #3

The problem is that torture NEVER benefits the country Fearless Jan 2015 #4

Whattaya mean? Torture works great! tclambert Jan 2015 #17

And then breeds a generation of families harmed by the US and therefore arm against the US. Fearless Jan 2015 #37

It wasn't a debate Roy Rolling Jan 2015 #5

When tea-baggers say "I want my country back" ... phantom power Jan 2015 #7

nor was there prior debate tiny elvis Jan 2015 #21

I disagree with part of this... hughee99 Jan 2015 #6

No the "it did not work" has a secondary purpose. zeemike Jan 2015 #20

i don't consider this Feinstein's fault or failure. barbtries Jan 2015 #8

You make a good point. The country IS sick. We've surrendered completely to the lowest and worst calimary Jan 2015 #13

+1 zeemike Jan 2015 #22

Agreed Shamash Jan 2015 #23

Welcome to DU, Shamash! calimary Jan 2015 #40

Thank you Shamash Jan 2015 #42

The timing was awful yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #30

This is exactly my opinion and what I am going to talk about on my radio show tonight. nt stevenleser Jan 2015 #32

Isn't it funny that we're willing to execute people for doing the same thing? sinkingfeeling Jan 2015 #9

There was no time bomb. grahamhgreen Jan 2015 #10

How can you blame Diane Feinstein for the twisted thinking of American voters? nt kelliekat44 Jan 2015 #11

jesus was tortured so that oughta be a good enough reason to torture "terrorists". after all they msongs Jan 2015 #14

Marc Thiessen is an asshole. OnyxCollie Jan 2015 #15

OT a bit but Michael Morell and Michael Hayden remind me of Heydrich. Each should be in the KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author Alkene Jan 2015 #16

+1 as I posted above the numbers Balloon Juice posted are not even close to SomethingFishy Jan 2015 #29

It doesn't matter if people like it, or even if it "works" . . FairWinds Jan 2015 #18

Thiessen says the investigation was "six sordid years of Democratic demagoguery and investigations" bigtree Jan 2015 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jan 2015 #24

Anyone who "can't disagree" with Marc A. Thiessen... countryjake Jan 2015 #25

Find a mirror Shamash Jan 2015 #34

Pretending that "America" supports torture because somebody asked 1000 people... countryjake Jan 2015 #39

I stand corrected Shamash Jan 2015 #43

I'm looking at the poll you posted and the poll the OP posted.. SomethingFishy Jan 2015 #54

Thiessen's first mistake is calling it "a debate" as if that matters stevenleser Jan 2015 #26

"Death to America" is more than a meme that is largely self-inflicted by so-called leaders K&R bobthedrummer Jan 2015 #27

Is THIS the question on which "The American People" verdict was judged? MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #31

A former bush speechwriter is the source of these comments?? Gothmog Jan 2015 #33

If torture is "OK", then what might be off limits?? kentuck Jan 2015 #38

This could change overnight... surrealAmerican Jan 2015 #41

America has become a brute, mean, spiteful JEB Jan 2015 #44

Correction: it still is all those things. It's our origin story, still pllaying out. arcane1 Jan 2015 #59

I think it's a pipe dream to think that anyone in the CIA or Bush Admin will be charged Kaleva Jan 2015 #45

76 percent said they would do it again "to protect the country" quaker bill Jan 2015 #46

Would you do it again to give the illusion of protecting the country? HereSince1628 Jan 2015 #48

yes laraelise Jan 2015 #52

Wow, you'd torture someone just for show, knowing that it doesn't protect anyone? arcane1 Jan 2015 #58

would you do it personally? quaker bill Jan 2015 #60

Torture or interrogation? laraelise Jan 2015 #49

What credible information was obtained by torturing him? uppityperson Jan 2015 #50

I dont know Im not an expert on 9/11 laraelise Jan 2015 #51

You think torturing KSM was OK, would do it again even though NO credible info was uppityperson Jan 2015 #53

Under made-up fantasies based on a tv show. arcane1 Jan 2015 #57

A poll of Americans is useless in this cotext. They'll vote what the tv tells them to vote. arcane1 Jan 2015 #56

We have the FBI, and Army Intelligence. The CIA is not needed for anything. arcane1 Jan 2015 #55

Perhaps you mistakenly logged onto the wrong site? BillZBubb Jan 2015 #61

Nothing like that happened quaker bill Jan 2015 #62